Saved-By-Grace
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and just how do you know that both Ananias and Sapphira are mentioned in chapter 4?
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and just how do you know that both Ananias and Sapphira are mentioned in chapter 4?
Saved-By-Grace
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now you are being silly!
One Baptism
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Acts 5:1 KJB - "... But ..."
Saved-By-Grace
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that is a mighty big BUT! this falls into the category of speculative theology. you will have to provide a much stronger case than this. Both Ananias and Sapphira could have been interested parties in the things of Christ, and went along with much of it, as we have today many thousands who attend Church, who are not even "saved", but take part in every Church activity, and appear very much to be saved, but yet lost.
One Baptism
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Follow the text markers please, not the chapter division:
Acts 4:32 KJB - And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Acts 4:33 KJB - And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 4:34 KJB - Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Acts 4:35 KJB - And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 4:36 KJB - And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Acts 4:37 KJB - Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Acts 5:1 KJB - But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Acts 5:2 KJB - And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Acts 5:3 KJB - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Acts 5:4 KJB - Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Acts 5:6 KJB - And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
Acts 5:7 KJB - And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
Acts 5:8 KJB - And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Acts 5:9 KJB - Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Acts 5:10 KJB - Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Acts 5:11 KJB - And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
I pray you caught what it said.Acts 4:33 KJB - And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 4:34 KJB - Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Acts 4:35 KJB - And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Acts 4:36 KJB - And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Acts 4:37 KJB - Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Acts 5:1 KJB - But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Acts 5:2 KJB - And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Acts 5:3 KJB - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Acts 5:4 KJB - Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[Ask yourself the question How did Peter know their heart? The Holy Ghost's omniscience was shared for that moment ... Think about it ...]
Acts 5:5 KJB - And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Acts 5:6 KJB - And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
Acts 5:7 KJB - And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
Acts 5:8 KJB - And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Acts 5:9 KJB - Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Acts 5:10 KJB - Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Acts 5:11 KJB - And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
Saved-By-Grace
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thanks for sharing from the Bible. However, can you show from what you have posted, exactly where it says these two were truly born-again, and not among those who "appeared" to be saved? As I have said, there are many who really "into Church", and give every "appearance" of being Christians, but are not. From the account in Acts you will never show that Ananias and Sapphira were real Christians. Its just not there!
Were they aware they were lying to the Holy Ghost and not just man?
If the Holy Spirit was residing in their hearts, how could Satan enter in?
Is everyone in your own SDA church born again?
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They resisted the Holy Ghost. They accepted satan's temptation. Being filled with the Holy Ghost, doesn't eliminate satan's temptations [the love of money is the root of all evil, thus they allowed that GMO seed of satan to be planted in their heart soil, and allowed it to grow into a green bay tree ...they lied, and no lie is of the Truth, and the Holy Ghost leads into all truth ...]. Just ask Christ Jesus in the wilderness. They made their decision, set firm in it, and lied to the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is polite. He leaves where unwanted. And so when the house becomes empty, you get squatters. it is why we are warned:
1 Thessalonians 5:19 KJB - Quench not the Spirit.
1 Samuel 16:14 KJB - But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Matthew 12:43 KJB - When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Matthew 12:44 KJB - Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Matthew 12:45 KJB - Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Ephesians 4:30 KJB - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 4:7 KJB - For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thessalonians 4:8 KJB - He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 4:1 KJB - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Hebrews 6:4 KJB - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 KJB - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 KJB - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
2 Peter 2:20 KJB - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Let me give you a type. The Temple in Jerusalem represents not only the body of Christ Jesus, but the individual person. It was filled with all manner of uncleanness, buyers and sellers, loud noises, [and in fact it points to the three items in the sanctuary, the Table of Shewbread, Golden 7 Branch Candlestick and the Golden Altar of Incense], etc. Jesus comes into the Temple, cleanses the Temple of the defiling spirits. He then dwells in the temple and teaches, and heals, etc. And going on His mission. Yet, later in the end of His 3 1/2 ministry, Jesus had to do this again, and He then dwells in the temple and teaches, and heals, etc. Yet the hardended pharisees come back in the Temple and they refuse Jesus - the Truth for they loved to believe a lie instead. Jesus then leaves that Temple permanently, saying that it was no longer His Father's House, but that their house was left desolate. They blasphemed away the Holy Ghost.Matthew 12:43 KJB - When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Matthew 12:44 KJB - Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Matthew 12:45 KJB - Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Ephesians 4:30 KJB - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1 Thessalonians 4:7 KJB - For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thessalonians 4:8 KJB - He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 4:1 KJB - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Hebrews 6:4 KJB - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 KJB - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 KJB - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
2 Peter 2:20 KJB - For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
No, not everyone in the Seventh-day Adventist movement, who goes by the name Seventh-day Adventist, is born again [very sad, because without that, the name does nothing for them]. Name without the character is theft of identity, a misrepresentation, and a reproach unto God, and to His people. Some have no connection with Christ Jesus whatsoever, but remain for their various reasons. Right now, things are 'militant'.
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ChrisTheSaved
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Reading this thread reminded me of the reason I have stopped getting on here much, there are a bunch of non-Baptist that use this site as a means to trash anything we believe. I wish there was a place that Baptist could go to fellowship with like minded people on the internet.....
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Do not take this the wrong way, but you are presently in the "Other Christian Denominations" forums area [by your own choice, for I do not force anyone to stay here, nor to read what I present [though I will say that to not look is even worse]].
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Hey, I just noticed the double entendre in your moniker, "Chris The Saved", and "ChrisT he Saved", was this the intention, if so, very good.
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I wanted to add another thought to this, as a text came to light:
1 Corinthians 4:4 KJB - For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
And that was the point being made that everyone coming together in the early church of Acts would not have been born-again either.
Were they aware they were lying to the Holy Ghost and not just man?
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Please read:
Acts 4:31 KJB - And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
The mere fact that there are hypocrites, which have identity thefted the name Seventh-day Adventist, and live as they please, does not equate to Acts 4-5 KJB.
In Acts 4, they were "all filled with the Holy Ghost", next verse:
Acts 4:32 KJB - And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
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Peter said, under inspiration, that they knew:
"... why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost ..."
"... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. ..."
"... ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?..."
Thus the swift judgment:"... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. ..."
"... ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?..."
"... Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost ..."
"Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost ..."
"... why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to [me - Peter, a man, etc] ..."
That's interesting. So they together plotted this scheme and basically said "Let's tempt God, and lie to Him and see if He let's us get away with keeping some of this money for ourselves".
I think OSAS is close to the truth. Where it errs is saying we are saved by faith in Christ alone (which is true) and makes faith a freewill choice to receive the gospel, but continuing in the faith or walking by faith is then removed from us. I agree that OSAS is only consistent within Calvinism
But to answer which sin would cause you to 'lose your salvation'? (I prefer depart from the faith) The sin unto death would be departing from your faith in the Son of God unto another gospel or another Christ. But once someone departs from the Living God they have eternal damnation having cast off their first faith and cannot be renewed again unto repentance. (which I argue at some length here if you are interested- conceal a thing: Calvinism ).
But to answer which sin would cause you to 'lose your salvation'? (I prefer depart from the faith) The sin unto death would be departing from your faith in the Son of God unto another gospel or another Christ. But once someone departs from the Living God they have eternal damnation having cast off their first faith and cannot be renewed again unto repentance. (which I argue at some length here if you are interested- conceal a thing: Calvinism ).
The question I ask is, how can one depart from Christ IF Christ has made them one with Him as a new creation?Christ in you! Holy Spirit and man's spirit made alive as one. How does one then escape their new found situation of being one with Christ? It's not about just saying you believe (James 2) but it is about being born of God.
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