One baptism?

[Eternally Grateful]

There no such thing as "Spirit baptism" taught or suggested in the entire Bible.

what bible do you read? I find it in many places

Once, if we ever do learn to count, then instead of arguing some notion of a "Spirit baptism" not being "water baptism", since that says in those words that there are two baptisms and not one, that will be fine, because "Spirit baptism" is just a delusion and doctrinal error inventing another gospel and second way of salvation, which leaves the "one baptism" in Ephesians 4 to only possibly be the Divinely Instituted Ordinance of water baptism, which is currently administered by the Authority of God, when a believer follows the Lord in being Scripturally baptized into the membership of one the Lord's churches, by the New Testament pattern.

So. John the baptist telling us we will be baptized with the spirit is a delusion?

You're the one who has two baptisms in your demonstrably inexcusable misinterpretation of adding the words into the Bible, to fabricate a false doctrine, where no such second baptism or second way of salvation ever existed and still doesn't exist.

There are many baptisms in scripture.

It might help you to look at the wording similar to "by one Spirit", when in verse 3, the Bible says the Spirit leads one to confess Christ, in the words "no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed": "and that no man can say Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."

Verse 8; "by the Spirit" and "by the same Spirit" and in verse 9; "by the same Spirit", twice, they are all referring to leading of the Spirit exactly the same way that "by one Spirit", in the same way, the Holy Spirit is the Administrator of the Lord's and God adds to His churches daily such as who are saved, when the Spirit Leads them to be water baptized into membership of the kind of local assembly Jesus Built.

Yes. this tells ys who baptized us..

The Bible says that in that organized local "body of Christ" at Corinth, it certainly was a local body of particular members there, because it says in I Corinthians 12:27; "now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular."

Which were baptized by God into

You may still play church, by playing with and altering those Bible verses to come up with several blasphemous heresies, but the day you bow your knee to Jesus, the playing around with words and thinking you can change them to suit some demonic fantasy will be over.

thus us rude.. humble yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality.

Yes!!

 

[Silverhair]

There no such thing as "Spirit baptism" taught or suggested in the entire Bible.

You're the one who has two baptisms in your demonstrably inexcusable misinterpretation of adding the words into the Bible,

Do you not have these verses in your bible?

Mat_3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mrk_1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luk_3:16 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Jhn_1:33 "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

Act_1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

Two baptisms,
One saves, the Holy Spirit
One is because you are saved, water baptism

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

every time you see the word it means to be immersed or dipped in water is a huge mistake.

The Divine Ordinance Jesus Originated as the means by which He became a member of His Own church He Built took place when He was baptized in water by the man Sent from God to baptize, by His Authority.

The Three Divine Members of the Triune Godhead were there Together to witness it.

There are figurative uses of the word baptize which all draw from it's primary meaning in the New Testament, which is Jesus' Divine church Ordinance of water baptism, picturing His death, burial, and resurrection.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Spirit baptism is the reality

So then, why isn't there anything in the Bible about 'Spirit baptism' that is taught anywhere for a saved soul to be able to discern it, Spiritually?

water baptism is the picture of the reality.

You won't be standing eye-to-Eye with Jesus Christ and tell Him that He walked 60 miles to be baptized by the one man who had the Authority from God to baptize Him in water that it wasn't a reality.

Nor God the Father or the Spirit of God Who also Both witnessed it.

You know what? Maybe words just don't mean anything to you, or the Bible, where you think it's O.K. just to make up crazy stuff, like water baptism isn't a reality.

Why didn't you just go ahead and say it's invisible?

Since, that doesn't make one bit of sense either.

 

[MMDAN]

So then, why isn't there anything in the Bible about 'Spirit baptism' that is taught anywhere for a saved soul to be able to discern it, Spiritually?

Did you not read posts #18 and #23?

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Matthew 3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 1:33 "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

You won't be standing eye-to-Eye with Jesus Christ and tell Him that He walked 60 miles to be baptized by the one man who had the Authority from God to baptize Him in water that it wasn't a reality.

Nor God the Father or the Spirit of God Who also Both witnessed it.

You know what? Maybe words just don't mean anything to you, or the Bible, where you think it's O.K. just to make up crazy stuff, like water baptism isn't a reality.

Why didn't you just go ahead and say it's invisible?

Since, that doesn't make one bit of sense either.

I'm not saying that it was not a reality that Jesus got water baptized by John the Baptist. (Matthew 3:13-15) I'm saying that in regard to being baptized into Christ, baptized into His death, united together in the likeness of His death and also in the likeness of His resurrection, Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality. A symbol is not the reality but is a picture of the reality. False religion turns symbols and shadows of salvation into the substance and the source.

 

[Silverhair]

Did you not read posts #18 and #23?

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Matthew 3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 1:33 "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

I'm not saying that it was not a reality that Jesus got water baptized by John the Baptist. (Matthew 3:13-15) I'm saying that in regard to being baptized into Christ, baptized into His death, united together in the likeness of His death and also in the likeness of His resurrection, Spirit baptism is the reality and water baptism is the picture of the reality. A symbol is not the reality but is a picture of the reality. False religion turns symbols and shadows of salvation into the substance and the source.

It is not that @Alan Dale Gross did not read them he just ignores them as they do not fit his particular view of the bible.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

For the record, Alans claim was that there is only one baptism in Scripture, therefore, he reasoned, that everywhere in Scripture that uses the word baptism must be speaking of water baptism

Nope. There is "one baptism" that as in any other word read under the influence of one of the most fundamental tools of Hermeneutics, "if the plain sense of a word makes sense, then we accept it as expressing that initial plain common sense every time", unless the context dictates otherwise, rather than immediately resorting to making wild guesses as to any other possibility in the world that it might mean, strictly as the product of our imagination, for no reason other than we like the sound of it and so we also give ourselves permission to take over the place of God and to rewrite His Bible.

With 'immersion' being the meaning of 'baptism' and that 'baptism' having been established in the New Testament with respect the the Lord's churches He Founded, as being 'immersed' in "much water", as in the river Jordan that where John the Baptist brought Jesus "up straightway out of the water", in Matthew 3:16a; "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:...", we are safe to understand 'baptism' as having it's plain common sense meaning of 'water baptism'.

Water baptism as Ordained for the Ordinance in the Lord's churches which was Originated by the Authority of God is extremely important to the Triune Godhead.

After, all Three of Them witnessed the 'water baptism' of Jesus, 'baptism' as the first act of obedience commanded of new believers, was subsequently Administered for entrance into the membership of one of the Lord's kind of churches He Built, in the Name of all Three Divine Persons in the Godhead.

However, man has all but done away with what the word 'church', or 'body', always means when referring to a 'church' and have replaced the kind of 'church' Jesus said He was Building, with a newly invented definition for 'church' which defines some entity that is just the exact, perfectly opposite, of what the word 'church' always refers to in the Bible, as being an 'organized local, called out, assembly of particular saved individuals', to try to have an 'organized local, called out assembly of particular saved individuals', as a 'congregation', said to be referring to an "entirely unorganized, worldwide, scattering of all saved individuals', or a 'kingdom'.

Then, having eliminated Jesus' Preeminence in Divinely Originating what He said He was Divinely Originating, the next target for devouring on Satan's itinerary was to annihilate Jesus' Divinely Originated church Ordinance of 'water baptism', God had Established.

It's a good thing Jesus Promised that "the gates of Hell" would not prevail against His kind of churches He Built, along with it's Divine Ordinance of water baptism by the Authority of God, for entrance into one, isn't it?

History is drenched with them. From Jesus' Day, until today, and until Jesus Returns again, just like He Promised.

But, false religion has no use for ether a 'church' like Jesus Built, or His Divine Ordinance of baptism, so you know what they do, after twisting the words in the Bible into Pretzel Logic and rewriting it's words and their meanings like it's a coloring book?

They tell you that they are both invisible, now, after they have been bastardized into something they never were and aren't now, but that THEIR NEWLY INVENTED MAN-MADE 'INVISIBLE CHURCH' AND 'INVISIBLE BAPTISM' ARE ALSO THE ONLY TRUE, REALLY REAL, REALITIES THAT GOD CHANGED THEM TO.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO BIBLE FOR ETHER ONE.

Different, huh?

Yeah, Demonic, from the word go.

Simply, manifest Christian Apostasy in their departure from "the faith once given to the saints".

Not you guys.

Your forefathers decades ago, probably, if they ever had it.

It has had to be going on for a while now, because when I Googled these extra-Biblical, newfangled, playing church nonsense, they come back with nothing but lies.

It's too bad.

You'd think that all it takes is to just learn how to handle our own Mother Tounge, but Jesus told Peter the way it really is, in the Realm of Spiritual Warfare, didn't He.

Flesh and blood don't reveal the Spiritual things of God to Peter; God did.

May He open your eyes to follow the Lord's example, by being Scripturally Baptized into the membership of one of His church bodies, by the Authority of God, where you can serve and worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

. He said that the Spirit baptism was made up and wasn't in Scripture. I c

Amen.

1 Peter 3:21: For there to be a antitype (that saves), there must also be a type (that points). We all know that types point to spiritual truths, but have no power in and of themselves. The "type" in that passage by Peter is clearly water baptism, thus the definition " (not the removal of the filth of the flesh...". The rest of that sentence "..."but the answer of a good conscience toward God)" is faith. A baptism by faith is what saves us.

So, you just thought you'd throw in a second, entirely unpresidented and random wild guess, as a second kind of baptism into that verse out of nowhere, for no reason?

You can't do that, just like no one else is allowed to.

A baptism by faith is what saves us.

And you assume something like that to be true and repeat it over and over, but what if you didn't?

Start out by not assuming it and show where anything like that is ever taught.

I see there are several scriptures in a row, concerning the interpretation of which, you have no clue.

I might look at them, but understanding them correctly won't support your invisible friends, so unless you repent and give them up as being invisibly worthless anyway, you probably won't get any of it.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again (born again) to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (Also see Ephesians 2:1-6 "and raised us up together" gives us life.)

Do you see the picture that Peter was painting, or do we see it differently?

I see what you're asking I think, but those realities Peter is speaking about are not a 'picture'.

I just call that out for the reason that I hope that's not something you are ever doing elsewhere, i.e., making realities out to be pictures.

And then, back to a new 'reality'?

Hope not.

For the point of the thread, there's more than one baptism in Scripture.

For the point God actually did make in the Bible Himself (to guard against the kinds of wholesale heresies you and others conclude, there is "one baptism'.

Then yes, these posts will sit there and let you write anything.

Like that 1+1=1.

I think the point of Ephesians 4 was that there is only one true baptism,

O.K. Right. That makes some kind of sense as the why God would write those words.

meaning only one baptism that has power to save.

Guess again.

We're saved through the "one faith" that is mentioned there.

Instead of God saying "faith is the one we are saved" and then adding to that "baptism is the one way we are saved", God is telling the Jews and Gentiles that they need to understand that it imparitive that they surrender to the idea that they are both now in this thing, together.

Paul admonishes them both "with long-suffering, forbearing one another in love, endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit", between the Jews and Gentiles within the church at Ephesus, "in the bond of peace."

And Paul's argument for them to shoot for that goal is that
1.) the Jews and Gentiles are in one and the same church body there at Ephesus,
2.) they were both saved by one Spirit dwelling in them,
3.) and they both share one hope of their calling,
4.) they share one Lord,
5.) one saving faith to contend for together,
6.) and they have all been joined together in that same local church body at Ephesus when they were water baptized into it, one way,
7.) and that both the Jews and the Gentiles had One God and Father of them all, i.e., of all the Jews and Gentile believers.

That is the same message Paul was impressing on them in I Corinthians 12:13, that since they had both surrended to the Unction of the Holy Spirit to be joined together on that one church body there in Corinth, when both Jews and Gentiles had been Led to be water baptized into its membership.

They needed to get used to it and get along, besides the fact that both the Jews and Gentiles shared the self-same experience in their salvation, "whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit".

Paul then says look, "the body" assembled there at Corinth is not just exclusively for "one member, but many" saved individuals', whether Jew or Gentiles.

The Bible means what it says, not what it doesn't say.

. That immersion, or placing into, is a spiritual one that results from receiving the Holy Spirit indwelling, the placing into with the Holy Spirit, which is a spiritual immersion by faith. Do you agree with that?

You're not asking me about any of this, but no.

Not for a spit second.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh,

Again, to have a 'faith' which is supposed to appropriate the Holy Spirit's Indwelling that would make you 'alive', that initial 'faith' is dead faith, to start with.

So, you're actually trying to brag about having dead faith to save your soul.

Would you just stop and fast and pray for a few days?

He has made alive together with Him

God thinks it is Him that makes the dead soul alive.

He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us.

God also thinks that it is Him Who forgives.

 

[Silverhair]

@Dave... as you may have noticed by now @Alan Dale Gross is not interested in biblical truth as he has his own truth.

Him being a confirmed calvinists cannot have the person actually hear and believe the gospel and be saved, that would be the baptism of the Holy Spirit that @Alan Dale Gross does not seem to comprehend.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed, (Acts 19:2)

The Supernatural Gifts of Instantaneous Miracles? No.

the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 10:43-47)

maybe you don't believe. (Ephesians 1:13)

Can't go there.

How are we saved? By grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Believers are added to the church. (Acts 4:4; 5:14) Water baptism "follows" believing in Him, receiving the remission of sins

There is no situation in Spiritual Reality, or the Bible, where it could be said, "Believers are added to the church," as if "the church" is what the Bible teaches is The Kingdom of God, made up of all saved souls on earth at any given time.

All the components of that fallacy are fabricated by man, under the influence of Satan, in the attempt to nullify the genuine Reality of what a 'church' is in the Bible and the Reality of believers being added to a local church body of believers, which is the only kind of 'church' there is, by God's Authority in water baptism.

Satan robbed them out of the religious world of the majority of believers and has come up with these fake, invisible, counterfeits. They are too cheap and invisible to mention.

The body of Christ is made up of all genuine believers (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13) who have been baptized by one Spirit into one body.. (1 Corinthians 12:13)

Where is any talk in these verses about "The body of Christ" "made up of all genuine believers"? Or, anywhere else?

Romans 1:16; "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4; "
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2; "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3; "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4; "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Ephesians 1:13; "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

I know in I Corinthians 12, where the word 'body' is used about a dozen times to mean what it means without any variation or alteration, or hocus pocus to make it worthless and invisible like a child might imagine, it is also used in 12:13, and that chapter gives God's Interpretation of what He means by it, right here:

The Bible says that in that organized local "body of Christ" at Corinth, it certainly was a local body of particular members there, because it says in I Corinthians 12:27; "now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular."

And, if you really do care even a little bit about what God says, the immediate context of I Corinthians 12:13, in the previous verse, I Corinthians 12:12, also gives the Divine Interpretation of what kind of 'body' God is saying that He is referring to by, "baptized into one body", "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."

The "one body", at Corinth, had "many members", who we learn in 12:27 were "members in particular" and God said that it was those particular "members" that made up their "one body" of believing members who assembled there in that Corinthian church; probably mostly Corinthians themselves.

Oh, how about looking at the context of the "one body" in I Corinthians 12:14, the next verse after it, which says what it has to say about what kind of "body" God is talking about in I Corinthians 12:13, "For the body is not one member, but many."

How about if we look at I Corinthians 12:18; "But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased Him."

AND HOW DOES GOD SAY THAT HE ADDS PARTICULAR MEMBERS TO A LOCAL BODY OF BELIEVERS LIKE THAT ONE BODY THERE IN CORINTH, AS IT HAS PLEASED HIM?

ANSWER:
"BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY." I Corinthians 12:13.

"BY ONE SPIRIT", By the Superintending Administration of the Holy Spirit, Leading Particular Saved souls to submit to water baptism, "ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED", as their entrance into becoming a member of a body of believers, "INTO ONE BODY" like those in the city of Corinth. That's the message in I Corinthians 12:13. None other.

Or, is that too heavy lifting for you to believe that God is Big Enough to do that?

Apostasy is an evil, ugly, sad thing, but you're in it. Along with many others.

Then, more clinchers according to the immediate context:
19 "And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 "But now are they many members, yet but one body.

"The body" = "many members" = "one body".

22; "Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23; "And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 "For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:

25; "That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 "And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,"

If you claim to believe and teach the Bible, that's how you do it.

I have not altered those Bible verses, and I do not teach blasphemous heresies. Demonic fantasy? You sound very judgmental

Why, just because you misinterpret Ephesians 4:4 and then go to I Corinthians 12:13 to 'prove' it, by misinterpreting it, too, and then take the misinterpretation of I Corinthians 12:13 to go back and 'prove' your misinterpretation of Ephesians 4:4, then start over?

That's not the way we interpret the Bible. That's nothing but fraudulent quackery.

There was one organised church body of baptised Jewish and Gentile church members who assembled in Ephesus, whom Paul wanted to understand that they were to worship together in unity,

and there was one organised church body of baptised Jewish and Gentile church members who assembled in Corinth, whom Paul wanted to understand that they were to worship together in unity and that "there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another."

 

[MMDAN]

The Supernatural Gifts of Instantaneous Miracles? No.

That is not what Paul asked. Paul simply asked, "have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?" After reading further, we can see the answer to this question is NO.

Can't go there.

Red flag.

There is no situation in Spiritual Reality, or the Bible, where it could be said, "Believers are added to the church," as if "the church" is what the Bible teaches is The Kingdom of God, made up of all saved souls on earth at any given time.

The church is the body of Christ. Colossians 1:18 - And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence... 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church.

All the components of that fallacy are fabricated by man, under the influence of Satan, in the attempt to nullify the genuine Reality of what a 'church' is in the Bible and the Reality of believers being added to a local church body of believers, which is the only kind of 'church' there is, by God's Authority in water baptism.

Oh, the irony. Under the influence of Satan, false religion turns symbols of salvation into the substance and the source. Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Satan robbed them out of the religious world of the majority of believers and has come up with these fake, invisible, counterfeits. They are too cheap and invisible to mention.

Numerous false religions and cults teach salvation by works (with a heavy emphasize on water baptism). Which church do you attend?

Where is any talk in these verses about "The body of Christ" "made up of all genuine believers"? Or, anywhere else?

You cannot figure it out? Are you implying that unbelievers make up the body of Christ? There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

Romans 1:16; "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4; "
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2; "By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3; "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4; "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Ephesians 1:13; "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

So, we see above that those who believe are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Are you implying that believers are not a part of the body of Christ just because the words "body of Christ" are not specifically spelled out in those verses?

I know in I Corinthians 12, where the word 'body' is used about a dozen times to mean what it means without any variation or alteration, or hocus pocus to make it worthless and invisible like a child might imagine, it is also used in 12:13, and that chapter gives God's Interpretation of what He means by it, right here:

And, if you really do care even a little bit about what God says, the immediate context of I Corinthians 12:13, in the previous verse, I Corinthians 12:12, also gives the Divine Interpretation of what kind of 'body' God is saying that He is referring to by, "baptized into one body", "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."

The "one body", at Corinth, had "many members", who we learn in 12:27 were "members in particular" and God said that it was those particular "members" that made up their "one body" of believing members who assembled there in that Corinthian church; probably mostly Corinthians themselves.

Oh, how about looking at the context of the "one body" in I Corinthians 12:14, the next verse after it, which says what it has to say about what kind of "body" God is talking about in I Corinthians 12:13, "For the body is not one member, but many."

How about if we look at I Corinthians 12:18; "But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased Him."

AND HOW DOES GOD SAY THAT HE ADDS PARTICULAR MEMBERS TO A LOCAL BODY OF BELIEVERS LIKE THAT ONE BODY THERE IN CORINTH, AS IT HAS PLEASED HIM?

ANSWER:
"BY ONE SPIRIT ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY." I Corinthians 12:13.

"BY ONE SPIRIT", By the Superintending Administration of the Holy Spirit, Leading Particular Saved souls to submit to water baptism, "ARE WE ALL BAPTIZED", as their entrance into becoming a member of a body of believers, "INTO ONE BODY" like those in the city of Corinth. That's the message in I Corinthians 12:13. None other.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39) for the word drink(s) and believes. Nothing is mentioned about water baptism in (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 13-27).

Or, is that too heavy lifting for you to believe that God is Big Enough to do that?

You are the one who is doing the heavy lifting. My God is big enough to provide for me eternal life through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:22-26) No supplements needed.

In Matthew 11:28-30, Jesus said - "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." I'll stick with Jesus.

CONTINUED..

 

[MMDAN]

Apostasy is an evil, ugly, sad thing, but you're in it. Along with many others.

That judgment call is well above your paygrade. Who are you to judge me? You are a false accuser of the brethren which explains a lot!

Then, more clinchers according to the immediate context:
19 "And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 "But now are they many members, yet but one body.

"The body" = "many members" = "one body".

22; "Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23; "And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 "For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:

25; "That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 "And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular."

28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,"

If you claim to believe and teach the Bible, that's how you do it.

You are not my Bible teacher. 1 Corinthians 2:11 - For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Why, just because you misinterpret Ephesians 4:4 and then go to I Corinthians 12:13 to 'prove' it, by misinterpreting it, too, and then take the misinterpretation of I Corinthians 12:13 to go back and 'prove' your misinterpretation of Ephesians 4:4, then start over?

I did not misinterpret Ephesians 4:4-5 and I already proved my interpretation. You just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

That's not the way we interpret the Bible. That's nothing but fraudulent quackery.

It's called Biblical hermeneutics. Your method of interpretation is called flawed hermeneutics.

There was one organised church body of baptised Jewish and Gentile church members who assembled in Ephesus, whom Paul wanted to understand that they were to worship together in unity,

Baptized by one Spirit into one body, the body of Christ. Water baptism is the picture of the reality. A symbol is not the reality but is a picture of the reality.

and there was one organised church body of baptised Jewish and Gentile church members who assembled in Corinth, whom Paul wanted to understand that they were to worship together in unity and that "there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another."

These members were baptized by one Spirit into one body. This is signified but not procured in water baptism. Where do you attend church?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Divine Ordinance Jesus Originated as the means by which He became a member of His Own church He Built took place when He was baptized in water by the man Sent from God to baptize, by His Authority.

The Three Divine Members of the Triune Godhead were there Together to witness it.

There are figurative uses of the word baptize which all draw from it's primary meaning in the New Testament, which is Jesus' Divine church Ordinance of water baptism, picturing His death, burial, and resurrection.

Yes it pictures. Much like the passover meal pictures the lamb of God slain.

But there is a literal baptism, where God himself places us into union with Christ, his death and his body. Much Like God baptized the children of Israel into vital union with moses,

No water is involved. and it is not done by a sinner. who needed saved himself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope. There is "one baptism" that as in any other word read under the influence of one of the most fundamental tools of Hermeneutic

Yes there is one baptism which saved.

But in scripture there are multiple baptisms.

 

[JesusFan]

Hey Dave, thanks for the thoughtful replies.

Just to clarify, I'll elaborate on something just in case we are not completely on the same page.

The best way to understand the baptism with the Holy Spirit, as I see it, is to use modern English. For what ever reason, like the word 'tongues' for 'languages', we hold onto some of that old English, even in the newer translations. It's not that the Holy Spirit is being placed into us by Jesus as a result of faith, though He is, it more that we are placed into Christ by that spiritual union, that indwelling. This is what the Baptism with the Holy Spirit means literally, it should read 'the placing into (Christ) with the Holy Spirit (indwelling). That's what the baptism with the Holy Spirit is. Every believer experiences this when they come to our Lord Jesus with a genuine faith. This is Jesus, placing Himself in us, by way of the Holy Spirit, called the Spirit of Christ making us one with Him, as He is one with the Father.

Water baptism pictures the results of that spiritual union, identifying us with Jesus' death and resurrection, and benefits of that spiritual union. In a way, water baptism points back to Spirit Baptism. It's kind of cool considering that we are water baptized after we are placed into Christ by receiving that indwelling.

There was a time, before believers could be indwelt in the Old Testament, before the cross, that the baptism with the Holy Spirit had to wait and was designated a certain time after the death resurrection and ascension of Jesus. This was so that the benefits of that spiritual union could be received as a result of that spiritual union. But mainly, we being Temples of the Holy Spirit, needed the blood of Christ from that spiritual union to cleanse the Temple, that's us. that's why OT believers were not indwelt.

Dave

But NOT the Baptism in the Holy Ghost as Pentecostals and Charismatics see it as being, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, correct?

 

[Dave...]

But NOT the Baptism in the Holy Ghost as Pentecostals and Charismatics see it as being, evidenced by speaking in other tongues, correct?

Hey JesusFan

If by "Not", you mean that's not what I'm claiming the baptism with the Holy Spirit is, then yes.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit places us into Christ. This is Jesus placing the Holy Spirit into us as a result of our initial faith. The Pentecostal and Charismatic views this baptism as something extra, after we are already saved and in Christ. I believe that they come to that conclusion because of a complete disregard for the context, specifically the fact that the NT begins at the cross, not Matthew chapter one.

Dave