My reply to Alan Dale Gross,
who said:
Peter mentions two baptisms here. The one that doesn't save, water, and the one that does, Spirit, is strongly implied.
1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
The body, is Jesus, the Church. The vehicle for that Spiritual union, the Holy spirit, was not given until Jesus was glorified.
How do we get access to that resurrection that Peter spoke of in 3:21?
Dale Alan Gross said:
I disagree. Context usually reveals what is being spoken of, however, if it's unclear, and you fealt like you had to assume, then It would be wise to assume Spirit baptism, not water.
Dale Alan Gross said:
It's a spiritual baptism, thus, invisible. (John 3:1-14). The invisible church, that's Jesus, He's the Church. It's a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 12:4-5 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Also see 1 cor. 12:12-27,
Eph 1:22-23 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
Col. 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
who said:
"There is one baptism, meaning of course, that there is one "kind" of Spirit, etc.,
in Ephesians 4:4 There is one "kind of" body, and one "kind of" Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one "kind of" faith, one "kind of" baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
You know that there is not just "one baptism" that has ever taken place on earth,
so the meaning is that there is one "kind of" baptism.
Water baptism is the only Biblical interpretation for expressing what "one baptism" means.
It means water baptism, which is a very important church ordinance God Ordained along with the Lord's Supper".
There is not a second "baptism" misunderstood in whatever way.
"Water baptism" + "Spirit baptism" =2 kinds of baptism.
Do the math.
You had made up another baptism that is only assumed.
The test is where someone is able to "not assume the Spirit baptizes".
If you don't assume it as a concoction of your imagination,
THEN TRY TO FIND IT ANYWHERE THAT CLEARLY "TEACHES" WHAT YOU ARE GUESSING ABOUT, and you know it.
Do those verses actually say in words what you believe or are you just assuming that it is there.
I tell you what, if you don't assume "SPIRIT BAPTISM", IT'S NOT IN THERE.
And you can't MAKE THE BIBLE CONTRADICT ITSELF WHERE IT SAYS, "ONE" BAPTISM.
Peter mentions two baptisms here. The one that doesn't save, water, and the one that does, Spirit, is strongly implied.
1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
The body, is Jesus, the Church. The vehicle for that Spiritual union, the Holy spirit, was not given until Jesus was glorified.
How do we get access to that resurrection that Peter spoke of in 3:21?
What does the Bible teach us about the spiritual mechanics of being born again?
What happens spiritually that makes us born again? I'll give my thoughts on this matter and we'll go from there. Just for the record, if I'm speaking of baptism, it's the spiritual baptism that I'm speaking of unless otherwise noted. I'll tell you if I mean water baptism. When we are placed...
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Dale Alan Gross said:
"Unless otherwise specified, the word baptism in the New Testament always refers to a dipping or immersion in water,
never to a mere sprinkling or pouring. Despite the general agreement of scholars on this fact,
however, a large part of Christendom prefers convenience to obedience and no longer practices baptism in water as a religious ordinance.
I disagree. Context usually reveals what is being spoken of, however, if it's unclear, and you fealt like you had to assume, then It would be wise to assume Spirit baptism, not water.
I baptized my French fries with ketchup. Are they saved?
No, I ate them. ;) But on a more serious note. The word 'baptize' in Scripture means to place into, to immerse into, and to dip into. The word baptize describes an action. The agent of baptism, or the baptizer, are not part of the definition of that word. A common mistake that people make is to...
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Dale Alan Gross said:
"and in recent years some sly seducers have confused it with an imaginary "spiritual baptism"
which they say puts every believer into their nonexistent invisible "church."
It's a spiritual baptism, thus, invisible. (John 3:1-14). The invisible church, that's Jesus, He's the Church. It's a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 12:4-5 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Also see 1 cor. 12:12-27,
Eph 1:22-23 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
Col. 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.