The design of this thread is to examine the theological and biblical question does an Effectual call exist...or is there only one general call.
Several questions have been raised as to if there exists different "calls' in scripture.
Allan just posted this response and has raised some good questions...lets see how much we can agree on....and where we differ and why.
Several questions have been raised as to if there exists different "calls' in scripture.
Allan just posted this response and has raised some good questions...lets see how much we can agree on....and where we differ and why.
I agree with what you have above and specifically that the 'calling' is an identifying marker of the elect.. however this does not negate that others were called as well but never came. It is a title referring to how they came to be.
Much like if I sent out invitations for all people to come to a wedding, those who come are 'the invited' or guests, those who did not come at the pointed time, though they 'were' invited are not counted among those who were invited - (friends and family). It is the same reason the word 'kletos' is used in describing the 'calling' at the wedding feast in Christ's parable. The invite/call went out to all in the same way, but only those who responded are identified as 'the invited/called'. We also use other words reflect this decision such as guests, friends, family (or spiritually - believers, friends of God, family) to better convey the relationship and not just the action to moved them into the relationship.
Many are called (this many in context, in fact refers to all men) but few are chosen.
There are two greek words used for call/called/calling. One is kaleo and one is kletos.
kletos is either appointed, or invited
kaleo is literally call ie. out loud.
Yes, I understand this. Just so you know (I haven't interacted with you to my knowledge) I am well versed in both the Greek and Hebrew languages. This is not to belittle you or statement (I affirm it) or brag on me in ANY way so please understand this is ONLY to state information to help the conversation flow. That way you can know you don't have to work with me from the ground up
Most "called" in the NT is kaleo, some are kletos. The only verses I could find referencing either of these words with respect to salvation where the unsaved are inview is Mat 20:16 and Mat 22:14 "Many are called (kletos) but few are chosen" Here kletos is cleary speaking of a call of invitation. In every other case kaleo or kletos refers to salvation the elect are clearly spoken of.
Acts 2:39, Rom 1:6, Rom 1:7, Rom 8:30, Rom 9:24, Rom 11:29, I Cor 1:2, I Cor 1:9, I Cor 1:24-26, I Cor 7:18, I Cor 7:22, Gal 1:6, Gal 1:15, Gal 5:13, Eph 1:18, Eph 4:4, Php 3:14, Col 3:15, 1Th 2:12, 1Th 2:14, 2 Th 1:11, 2Th 2:14, 1 Ti 6:12, 2 Ti 1:9, Heb 3:1, Heb 9:15, 1 Pe 1:15, 1 Pe 2:9, 1Pe 2:21, 1 Pe 3:9, 1Pe 5:10, 2 Pe 1:3, 2 Pe 1:10, Jude 1:1, Rev 17:14, Rev 19:9
Again I agree but must also ask - He is giving an invitation 1. For what, and 2. to whom?
Additionally, while I also agree in the main above, I do take issue with your last statement and personally see it as being untrue in that in 'every other case ...[the call] refers to salvation of the elect.
If you just take just your first listed verse of Acts 2.. this is not speaking of only the elect but is in fact to all in the audience and everyone else (you, your children, others far away - as many as the Lord shall call). There is no qualifier that that states nor alludes to the fact (in this instance) God's call is to a select few but in fact the very context identifies the Call of God is toward all, but not all receive it at the same time. And that is just one of your verses you listed. However, I acknowledge that many times, yes it is referring (In the NT) believers.
The fact that even you point out the scriptural witness to my point about God's calling goes even to the non-elect (of which the Wedding parable is about salvation), illustrates what I am saying. In the OT we see God calling as well, and the same emphasis and examination should be acknowledged there as well as in the NT
whether there are two callings or twenty there is clearly one that refers exclusively to the elect.
Again, here I disagree contextually. It is not that there is a call exclusively (as in only to them alone) to the elect but that the elect have responded to the call
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