One God in Three Persons

[ChristB4Us]

Good post, clearly stating your views.

Well, at least the Lord enabled you to see that,

Sorry, but your views are unbiblical.

In spite of John 14:6 & john 5:22-23 as if Jesus did not literally meant that? This is where it is a biblical view.

How does an ordinary dog worship his master. By licking, doggy kissing, his master. A dog is subservient to his master, willing to die for his master. Are we willing to follow the leading of our Paraclete, or do we not worship our Helper? Are we willing to fully commit obediently to our Lord Jesus Christ's commands, or do we not worship Him.

@KenH

By heeding His words, on how we are to come to God the Father by and how we are to only honor the Father by and that is His Son unless we become workers of iniquity for climbing up another way.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

What problems does that create? When our eyes are off of the son in worship but on the Holy Spirit, this allows the spirits of the antichrist to come in with signs and wonders, seducing those astray into thinking that was the Holy Spirit because they were honoring Him in worship when it was not. This is why Catholic & Protestant churches experience that phenomenon of the holy laughter movement because they suffered a thief to break through by climbing up another way.

So when that phenomenon occurs in your church for honoring the Holy Spirit in worship, you will have a hard time convincing them that it was not the Holy Spirit with believers losing self control and falling too. They will even invoke the Holy Spirit directly in worship the next time and the phenomenon will happen again, thinking they are receiving Him after that sign or other sensational signs in the flesh of confusion which God is not the author of..

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

That is what they get for not heeding His words for why many believers are falling for that in these latter days.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

To avoid that in these latter days, we need to narrow the way back to the straight gate & lean on Jesus to keep our eyes on Him as the Bridegroom for He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ or risk being left behind for that work of iniquity by the direction we took as in "instead of Jesus Christ".

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

 

[ChristB4Us]

@Van and @ChristB4Us, you guys are opposing each other. And I have argued there to be more than one understanding of God and His Trinity of distinct Persons who are the same God.

Unless we understand each others view, there can be no correcting anyone's incorrect views.

What we should all agree on is the Trinity is three distinct Persons who are the one same God.

I agree with @ChristB4Us in
that the extra Biblical creeds have problems.

Van & I & you agree there are Three Witnesses within the One God but the problem here is how believers are ignoring His words for how he specifically stated to come to God the Father by John 14:6 & by how to honor the Father by John 5:22-23.

This article is from Dr. Roger Barrier went to be with the Lord on Friday, February 16th, 2024. He was a faithful servant of Christ with a lifetime worth of ministry and mentorship. Dr. Barrier held degrees from Baylor University, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and Golden Gate Seminary in Greek, religion, theology, and pastoral care.

He is answering a concern shared by I assume a fellow Baptist as if testifying to this phenomenon as happening in a Baptist church.

What Is 'Holy Laughter' and Is it Biblical?

Now this is what has been reported and so I am sure it is happening more often then not for why I am warning Baptists to beware. The only ay to avoid that from happening is to keep our eyes on the Son and thus providing no opportunities for the spirits of the antichrist to come in when our eyes are on the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity "instead of Christ".

 

[ChristB4Us]

700 Club or CBN is reporting this phenomenon as happening every denomination all over the world at this link to that article HOLY LAUGHTER: Bringing Revival To The Church? | CBN

So what is the common denominator? When churches and believers take their eyes off of the Son in worship, prayer, or fellowship, in coming to God the Father, they are committing the offense of what antichrist means which is “instead of Christ”. When taking our eyes off of the Son to the Holy Spirit or the “blessed Trinity” in worship for why God is allowing that strong delusion to occur, is it any wonder why you cannot convince believers & churches that holy laughter movement was not the Holy Spirit when they were honoring Him in worship?

Now this is what has been reported and so I am sure it is happening more often then not for why I am warning Christians to beware. The only way to avoid that from happening is to keep our eyes on the Son and thus providing no opportunities for the spirits of the antichrist to come in when our eyes are on the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity "instead of Christ".

It is about discerning the cause & effect when broadening the way in the worship place Matthew 7:13–27 by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and thereby the “Trinity” which offends the Father when the only way to honor Him is by honoring only the Son John 5:22-23 which is why God is permitting that strong delusion of that holy laughter movement to occur and so the solution is to narrow the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind Luke 13:24–30

 

[37818]

700 Club or CBN is reporting this phenomenon as happening every denomination all over the world at this link to that article HOLY LAUGHTER: Bringing Revival To The Church? | CBN

So what is the common denominator? When churches and believers take their eyes off of the Son in worship, prayer, or fellowship, in coming to God the Father, they are committing the offense of what antichrist means which is “instead of Christ”. When taking our eyes off of the Son to the Holy Spirit or the “blessed Trinity” in worship for why God is allowing that strong delusion to occur, is it any wonder why you cannot convince believers & churches that holy laughter movement was not the Holy Spirit when they were honoring Him in worship?

Now this is what has been reported and so I am sure it is happening more often then not for why I am warning Christians to beware. The only way to avoid that from happening is to keep our eyes on the Son and thus providing no opportunities for the spirits of the antichrist to come in when our eyes are on the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity "instead of Christ".

It is about discerning the cause & effect when broadening the way in the worship place Matthew 7:13–27 by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and thereby the “Trinity” which offends the Father when the only way to honor Him is by honoring only the Son John 5:22-23 which is why God is permitting that strong delusion of that holy laughter movement to occur and so the solution is to narrow the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind Luke 13:24–30

1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . .
2 John 1:9, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Van]

SNIP

#1 Worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son or worshiping the blessed Trinity. That is considered as another way of worship,

Here we are told of another way of worship. What other way, and by whom is it considered another way? The OT tells us to worship Yahweh, love your God with all your heart. To disavow any Person of the trinity is to not love Yahweh.

#2 Not heeding His words that Jesus is the only way to come to the Father and that only by honoring the Son is the only way you can honor the father in worship and when you are NOT honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father at all.

Did anyone say not to worship God the Son, our Lord and our God? Nope so obfuscation on display.

#3 The point of dragging the Catholics and Protestant in how they gloss over and ignore scripture is what apparently the Baptist are doing in regards to applying the Trinity in the wrong way as if worshiping the trinity or the Holy Spirit with the father & the Son is okay when it is not found in scripture and no one can say that this arguing from silence when John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 is not silent about the only way to come to God the Father by & how to honor Him by & that is by the only way provided; His Son.

Here note an effort to equate coming to the Father by believing in the Son as Savior and Lord somehow precludes worshiping obediently the Person of the Holy Spirit. Or the effort to claim the requirement to honor (and obey) the Father and the Son somehow precludes honoring and obeying the Paraclete. Shear nonsense.

#4 I see the dodge as if John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 does not mean what Jesus said for why everybody thinks it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and worshiping the Father by the broad way as the Blessed Trinity. You cannot honor the Father in that way, but by only honoring the Son Whom the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do as the word of God says too.

Here once again the claim is made that we cannot honor the Father if also honoring the Son and Holy Spirit. Nonsense.

If we fail to Honor the Holy Spirit by speaking against Him, are we sinning. See Matthew 12:30-32.

 

[ChristB4Us]

.. leaving verses our of quote for easier read

Thanks for adding the scripture.

1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . .

That reference below means that saved believers can go astray. Which is why John is giving this warning below about saved believers not abiding in Him as His disciples.
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2 John 1:9, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

How are they not abiding in Him? When they believe they can receive the Holy Spirit by a sign and even again for other sensational signs in the flesh, thus denying Him as in us when He has been in us since salvation at the calling of the gospel.

.1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So what does these holy laughter movement, the Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings and the late Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade all have in common? Putting the focus on the Holy Spirit in worship as they invoke and pray to the Holy Spirit to come and those phenomenon of confusion occur which God is not the author of per 1 Corinthians 14:32-33

How to avoid this? Heed the commandment of His invitation or risk being left behind.
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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? ~~ fruit of the false prophet is ecumenical in nature.

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

~~ Azusa Street Revival of 1906-1909 has this emphasis on seeking that baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues thus taking their eyes off of Christ to look for that phenomenon & yet Jesus warned us in Matthew 12:38-40 as it is an adulterous generation that seeks after a sign. So while tongues for private users condemn holy laughter as not of God, and yet they got that tongue "for private use" by the same evil tree that the holy laughter came from.

~~ Azusa Street Revival of 1906-1909 had a variation of holy laughter, slain in the spirit, being drunk in the spirit along with claims of healings, casting out of devils & visions with revelations like the claims below in verses 21-23.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So pay attention to that work of iniquity of the broad way as stated in Matthew 7:13-14 for how many are taking their eyes off of Christ in worship and suffering these spirits of the antichrist to break through like a thief.

Narrow the way back to honoring the Son in worship to honor the Father by as led by the Spirit of Christ in us to do.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The moment we stop honoring the Son, we are no longer honoring the Father and Jesus meant what He has said. So may every Baptist member and fellow Christians out there go before that throne of grace for help to repent or else be left behind.

 

[ChristB4Us]

no snipping but leaving it out of quote

#1 Worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son or worshiping the blessed Trinity. That is considered as another way of worship,

Here we are told of another way of worship. What other way, and by whom is it considered another way? The OT tells us to worship Yahweh, love your God with all your heart. To disavow any Person of the trinity is to not love Yahweh.

Do we dare to add to His words & ignored the explicit commandment for how the Father wants us to honor Him by and that is only by His Son?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The moment you stop honoring the Son, you are NOT honoring the Father.

#2 Not heeding His words that Jesus is the only way to come to the Father and that only by honoring the Son is the only way you can honor the father in worship and when you are NOT honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father at all.

Did anyone say not to worship God the Son, our Lord and our God? Nope so obfuscation on display.

You are saying we do not have to just come to the Son to come to the Father. You are saying we can also come to the Holy Spirit or the Blessed Trinity to come to the Father and yet your practice is ignoring the explicit commandment of His invitation.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Would you like to amend His words by changing out the "but" as if He did not really meant that?

#3 The point of dragging the Catholics and Protestant in how they gloss over and ignore scripture is what apparently the Baptist are doing in regards to applying the Trinity in the wrong way as if worshiping the trinity or the Holy Spirit with the father & the Son is okay when it is not found in scripture and no one can say that this arguing from silence when John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 is not silent about the only way to come to God the Father by & how to honor Him by & that is by the only way provided; His Son.

Here note an effort to equate coming to the Father by believing in the Son as Savior and Lord somehow precludes worshiping obediently the Person of the Holy Spirit. Or the effort to claim the requirement to honor (and obey) the Father and the Son somehow precludes honoring and obeying the Paraclete. Shear nonsense.

It never strikes you as odd when reports of honoring the Holy Spirit in worship that can bring about holy laughter movement and even afterwards, they invoke and pray to the Holy Spirit to come again and the phenomenon happens again with other signs, does that not give you pause?

Why would God allow the devil to respond for honoring the Holy Spirit in worship? Why would God allow the devil to respond when praying to the Holy Spirit?

Hence the believers and the churches are not watching how they come to God the Father in worship as they suffer a thief to break through.

#4 I see the dodge as if John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 does not mean what Jesus said for why everybody thinks it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and worshiping the Father by the broad way as the Blessed Trinity. You cannot honor the Father in that way, but by only honoring the Son Whom the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do as the word of God says too.

Here once again the claim is made that we cannot honor the Father if also honoring the Son and Holy Spirit. Nonsense.

If we fail to Honor the Holy Spirit by speaking against Him, are we sinning. See Matthew 12:30-32.[

You cannot be speaking against the holy Spirit when the holy Spirit is leading you to do the same thing He has been sent to do and that is to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and that has to include worship. There is no other way the Holy Spirit would lead us to honor the Father by.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: .....

What scriptures do you have to oppose the truth in His words? None. You are arguing from silence whereas I am not, but only Christ Jesus can help you see that.

This goes to show how bad it can get in the Baptist church when not heeding His words.

What are you going to do when the holy laughter movement comes to your church when honoring the Holy Spirit in worship? How are you going to convince your fellow church member that is NOT the Holy Spirit when they were honoring Him in worship? You can't.

That is what you get for climbing up another way. That s what you get for ignoring His emphasis on Himself as being that door in coming to God the Father by.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

It is a work of iniquity for why God will permit those strong delusion to occur.

 

[Van]

In the Old Testament, we find the phrase "Spirit of the LORD" about two dozen times. The same Hebrew phrase is variously translated as:
1) The Spirit of the LORD - note lord is in all caps, indicating the actual word is a version of Yahweh.
2) The Spirit of God
3) The Spirit of Jehovah
4) The Spirit of Yahweh
5) Yahweh's Spirit.

When I was young the accepted meaning of the phrase was that it referred to God the Father. Now, some theologians believe the phrase may refer to God the Son.

 

[ChristB4Us]

In the Old Testament, we find the phrase "Spirit of the LORD" about two dozen times. The same Hebrew phrase is variously translated as:
1) The Spirit of the LORD - note lord is in all caps, indicating the actual word is a version of Yahweh.
2) The Spirit of God
3) The Spirit of Jehovah
4) The Spirit of Yahweh
5) Yahweh's Spirit.

When I was young the accepted meaning of the phrase was that it referred to God the Father. Now, some theologians believe the phrase may refer to God the Son.

Feel free to answer and reprove the rebuke in post # 27 by the scriptures.

Or at the very least, how can you prove to the Baptist church when the holy laughter movement comes, that it was not the Holy Spirit even though they were honoring the Holy Spirit in worship?

 

[Van]

And to repeat honoring the Spirit of Yahweh, whether in the Person of the Father, or the Son or the Holy Spirit is commanded in scripture. To claim we are not supposed to honor the Person of the Holy Spirit, such as crediting Christ's miracles to Him is utter nonsense.

Did anyone say we do not come to the Father except through or by means of faith in the Son? Nope - obfuscation on display.

How about since some honor the Holy Spirit with false beliefs, that means we cannot honor the Holy Spirit with true beliefs. Give me a break.

Or how about the claim the Holy Spirit only leads us to honor the Father or the Son. The Holy Spirit inspired the Holy Scriptures of the Bible and thus provides teachings for us to study and apply to our lives. Like God gives grace to the humble but opposes the proud. Or honor your father and mother?

 

[ChristB4Us]

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: < ------- judgment over all believers

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. < -------- Dare we ignore this judgment for how we are to honor the Father by only honoring the Son just to continue favoring a creed that is not basing that kind of worship as found in scripture anywhere?

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Van]

SNIP

The repeated posts that the Father committed to the Son the judgment of people is not in dispute, therefore the off topic assertion constitutes obfuscation

 

[Van]

Folks, the mainline Baptist doctrine is to honor and obey God as our Lord and Master. Any claim if we honor one Person of the Trinity, that means we are not honoring the other two betrays ignorance of our Trinity Doctrine. For the worship of One Person of the Trinity constitutes the worship of the essence of all three. God is One. Full Stop

 

[ChristB4Us]

The repeated posts that the Father committed to the Son the judgment of people is not in dispute, therefore the off topic assertion constitutes obfuscation

The scripture testifies to how God the Father was not going to judge but render all judgment unto the Son and that standard of judgment is raised in verse 23 for how we honor the Father by and how we are not honoring the Father by: His Son.

Honoring the Holy Spirit is not specifically honoring the Son and therefore not honoring the Father.

Honoring the Trinity is not specifically honoring the Son and therefore not honoring the Father.

What is the principle of the antichrist but to mean "instead of Christ"?

So honoring the Holy Spirit or honoring the blessed Trinity is doing what by that action? Instead of Christ.

 

[Van]

The scripture testifies to how God the Father was not going to judge but render all judgment unto the Son and that standard of judgment is raised in verse 23 for how we honor the Father by and how we are not honoring the Father by: His Son.

Honoring the Holy Spirit is not specifically honoring the Son and therefore not honoring the Father.
Honoring the Trinity is not specifically honoring the Son and therefore not honoring the Father.
What is the principle of the antichrist but to mean "instead of Christ"?
So honoring the Holy Spirit or honoring the blessed Trinity is doing what by that action? Instead of Christ.

Your assertions have no basis in scripture. None, Zip, Nada.

Once again you postulate that to honor one Person of the Trinity means you are not honoring the other Persons. Utter nonsense.

When we baptize people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, we are honoring all three with our obedience to their will.

Why you hold these unbiblical views is a mystery.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Your assertions have no basis in scripture. None, Zip, Nada.

You say that at the expense of John 14:6 & John 5:22-23 as if Jesus did not really mean that.

Once again you postulate that to honor one Person of the Trinity means you are not honoring the other Persons. Utter nonsense.

The scriptures cites the will of God the Father and that is to honor the Father by only honoring the Son. The latter part of verse 23 ,eaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit by saying when we honor not the Son, then we are not honoring the Father,

When we baptize people in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, we are honoring all three with our obedience to their will.

Yet through out the Book of Acts they baptize in the name of Jesus Christ as that is the "name" of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And what happens after that water baptism in Jesus's name?

They are identifying as disciples of Jesus Christ as in saved believers that follow Jesus Christ by testifying of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son and by Him, the glory of God the Father Whom the Holy Spirit has been sent to dwell in them to do the same thing through us.

Why you hold these unbiblical views is a mystery.

You say unbiblical but you do not have any scriptural reference that teaches or testify to early Christians or the church of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. Not one.

The reasons why there aren't any scriptures is because there are scriptures explicitly telling us how to come to God the Father by and how to honor Him by and that is ONLY by His Son.

 

[ChristB4Us]

@Van Explain this passage in scripture.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

#1 What mind of Christ are we to have in worship?

#2 Who are we suppose to testify about in worship?

#3 Whose name is above every other name that is to the glory of God the Father?

#4 Does the "wherefore...." in verse 12 applies this obedience to that mind of Christ we are to have in worship?

$5 And that other act of obedience we are to have in verses 12 & 13 is work out our salvation with fear & trembling in RESPECT to the God that is working in us and so Who is that God that is working in us?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.........11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

May God cause the increase in helping you and other believers to narrow the way back to the straight gate before the Bridegroom comes.

Psalm 27:7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek. 9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

 

[Van]

@Van Explain this SNIP

#1 What mind of Christ are we to have in worship?

#2 Who are we suppose to testify about in worship?

#3 Whose name is above every other name that is to the glory of God the Father?

#4 Does the "wherefore...." in verse 12 applies this obedience to that mind of Christ we are to have in worship?

$5 And that other act of obedience we are to have in verses 12 & 13 is work out our salvation with fear & trembling in RESPECT to the God that is working in us and so Who is that God that is working in us?
SNIP

Answers:
1) We are indwelt with the Spirit of Christ, thus we have the mind of Christ within us to follow as Lord, our worship service.

2) We are to testify about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in worship with both our thoughts and deeds.

3) Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord's name is above names, thus every knee shall bow. And for the umpteenth time, honoring one Person of the Trinity in no way disallows honoring the other two.

4) We, striving to be Christ-like, are to humble ourselves, putting aside fleshly desires and worldly treasures, and be obedient servants to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Paraclete).

5) Work out our salvation refers to the Progressive Sanctification aspect of our Salvation. Which "God" is working in us? Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Spirit of all three Persons! Trinity doctrine 101

 

[Van]

Claim:
You say unbiblical but you do not have any scriptural reference that teaches or testify to early Christians or the church of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. Not one.

Answer: The early church baptized new believers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Claim:
You say unbiblical but you do not have any scriptural reference that teaches or testify to early Christians or the church of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. Not one.

Answer: The early church baptized new believers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Again, any reference to the Triune God or to the Three Witnesses within the One God does not validate ignoring the specific of His commandment to come to God the Father by His Son John 14:6 ....

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

....nor justify not honoring the Son by honoring the Holy Spirit or the "blessed Trinity" as if that is another way to honor the Father by when it is not.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If the latter part of verse 23 did not exists, then I could not say there is no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity. Like it or not, you should pay attention to His words that when you are NOT honoring the Son, then guess what? You are NOT honoring the Father.

We do not get to sound off as if we are wiser than God and say well Jesus forgot about the Holy Spirit & the whole concept of the blessed Trinity. No. He did not forget because that is how the Father specifically told us through His Son how we are to come to Him by and how we are to honor Him by and that is by the only way provided, His Son.

Do you believe that God the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit all died on the cross? If not, then how did God the Father provide a way for us to come into the presence of God the Father? By the blood of the Lamb. That is Whom & how we have been reconciled to God the Father by.

Jesus is called the Bridegroom for a reason; that is how we relate to the Father by. So seek the face of the Bridegroom in worship as led by the Spirit of God in us to do in coming to God the Father in honoring the Father by honoring His Son.