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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Oct 29, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    [Snip]

    False theologies have false presuppositions.
    Such as denial of the mortality of the soul.
     
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    Where?
     
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    Then put on your big boy pants and show us the irrational theologies and presuppositions of Arminian and Calvinist theology. If you cannot, then your assertion is merely ignorant bluster on your part.
    Second, provide your systematic theology which you declare to be rational.

    We keep waiting for you to actually share in detail your theology.
     
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    You have refused to answer the one issue of the mortality of the soul.

    Quote me. Where did I claim a written systematic theology?

    Some who hold an Arminian view believe a saved person can lose salvation. In that view one can never know one is really saved. If one can lose one's salvation, how can one be know one will not?

    Calvinists who deny the truth of the general redemption can not know before believing that Christ paid for their sins.
     
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    You are off topic. This is about the irrationality of Arminian or Calvinist theology, which you have not proven at all.
    When asked to prove your assertion, you deflect.
    Now you go to some bogus annihilationism and avoid all else while expecting me to go off-topic with you.

    You started this thread. Prove your assertion or admit you are just blustering.
     
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    You are irrational, that is why you do not recognize the irrational views as being irrational and unBiblical.
     
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    In a closed poll you @AustinC did not like, so you argued,

    The poll was on the TULIP points of Calvinism. Be rational and start your own poll.
     
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    More bluster without any support. When you provide theological reasoning let us know.
     
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    You rant and have refused to discuss an issue of the soul being mortal.
     
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    Create a thread for that topic.
    Here you need to present two things
    1) Why Arminian and Calvinist theology is irrational.
    2) Why your theology is rational.

    We wait on you.
     
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    UnBiblical is an irrational theology.
    Biblical theology will be rational.
    Both Arminian and Calvinist believe in the immortality of the soul.
     
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    So, for you, it's rational to have God annihilate the sinner. Are you a 7th Day Adventist or Jehovah's Witness since both those camps hold your annihilationism theory?

    What else do you imagine is "irrational?" You are quick to make a blanket statement, but loath to explain the rational of your own unorthodox theology.
     
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    Another false accusation. An example why the belief in an immortal soul is irrational.
     
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    I have no clue what you are talking about, and since you have never explained yourself, it seems you have no rational thought to why you believe something you cannot even explain.
     
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    Mod Hat On​

    All,

    Please address the post, not the member.

    Remember this is a Christian discussion/ argument.

    Tone down the rhetoric.

    Mod Hat Off​
     
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    Maybe not to you. And neither of us read everyone of each other's posts. I have held the mortality of the lost souls since 1968. I have also always understood the lost would suffer forever in the lake of fire. Revelation 14:11, ". . . the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, . . ." Dead souls with dead bodies, Matthew 10:28.
     
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    So you've been confused since 68.
    First, no soul is lost. God knows exactly where every soul is.
    Second, if they are mortal, not immortal then the rebels cannot live forever since if they did, they would be immortal (eternally aware of their dwelling in hell).
    Therefore, you are holding a contradiction which is... irrational.
     
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    So you believe the word of God is irrational.
     
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