Only Believing Jews are God's People

[Amy.G]

I don't deny Scripture Amy:

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It clearly teaches that Satan is the god of this world.
It clearly teaches that Christ will not rule this world until the MK.

Does the world as it is today look like one that Christ rules, or (in your case), one like Obama rules? I hope you don't compare the two, but the picture I have when Christ rules is far different of Obama ruling your world (America)!
And when Christ rules it will be the world, not just Obama's world.

The verse you quoted simply says that "powers are made subject to him."
It does not say that he is actively ruling over them now.

Christ is God and King over all, including "this world". The earth is His and everything thereof.
But Satan does rule the "system" of this world, which is the wickedness that prevails among human beings. But no one, including Satan has authority over Christ, even on this earth. Nothing happens apart from the sovereignty of God.

 

[DHK]

Are you calling Jesus Christ a liar? Read Matthew 28:18 before you answer.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

A statement of truth. It does not mean that He is ruling as king of this earth. God has always been omnipotent. Are you going to deny that. But he has not always ruled over this earth. This earth is not set up as a theocracy is it?

I borrowed this one from Amy:

1Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Don't bother to respond. For someone to imply that I do not believe that Jesus Christ is who he claims to be is pathetic. All this nonsense started simply because posted the following statement: “Most so-called Jews today are agnostic at best and atheist at worst. Unless I am mistaken only about 3% of the Jews in Israel are religious, but that is on par with the so-called Christian Europe.”

I don’t know whether your dispensational senses were offended that I mentioned Jew and Christian in the same sentence or not.

We both know that both Jews and Christians are minority groups the world over.
Only in MK will the Jews once again be fully recognized under Christ:

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

2 Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[DHK]

Christ is God and King over all, including "this world". The earth is His and everything thereof.
But Satan does rule the "system" of this world, which is the wickedness that prevails among human beings. But no one, including Satan has authority over Christ, even on this earth. Nothing happens apart from the sovereignty of God.

And in the sovereignty of God, God has allowed Satan to be the god of this world.
That is what Scripture says.

Look at the latitude that God gave to Satan when he allowed him to test Job.

 

[OldRegular]

God has always been omnipotent. Are you going to deny that. But he has not always ruled over this earth. This earth is not set up as a theocracy is it?

I simply cannot understand why you continue to attribute statements to me that I have not made. Frankly that is dishonest.

 

[DHK]

I simply cannot understand why you continue to attribute statements to me that I have not made. Frankly that is dishonest.

What have I said that is dishonest?
Here is your statement in response to me:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DHK
The God of this world is Satan. It is he that rules; not Christ.



Are you calling Jesus Christ a liar? Read Matthew 28:18 before you answer.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[Gup20]

OldRegular,

I believe your original post is accurate, however, the Topic Title is misleading. Indeed, only Jews who have come to faith in Jesus Christ are God's people - but they are God's people along with all the Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Indeed, those with faith in Jesus Christ are "spiritual Israel". Moreover, the Bible makes clear that the Nation of Israel are "spiritual Ishmael".

The Nation of Israel are the rightful heirs by the flesh... but both the Old Testament and New Testament say that their birthright had to be removed (Gal 4:21-31) because we (all men of earth) are all dead in our sin, and therefore no heir is found according to the flesh.

A reading of Genesis 15-17 and Galatians 1-4 will illuminate this.

In fact, the apostle Paul, writing in Galatians 1-4 uses the text of Genesis 15-17 to prove that God's people are now those who believe in Christ by faith, and are NO LONGER those born of Jewish decent.

For example, in Galatians 3:16, Paul uses the very text itself of Genesis 15:5 - as any good legal scholar would - capitalizing even on the grammar of the text itself - to prove his legal position that salvation is by faith to all... and that there is no Jew or Greek.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

 

[OldRegular]

GUP20

Very interesting and insightful analysis! The only statement I have a problem with is the following: Moreover, the Bible makes clear that the Nation of Israel are "spiritual Ishmael".

 

[Gup20]

GUP20

Very interesting and insightful analysis! The only statement I have a problem with is the following: Moreover, the Bible makes clear that the Nation of Israel are "spiritual Ishmael".

Of course that is often a hard pill to swallow. But as I said, this is Biblical, so let's look at the word. If you look at Genesis 17, Abraham asks God if Ishmael could stand as an heir. God says no, but blesses Ishmael and prophesys that Ishmael will become a great nation (singular) with 12 princes. This stands in contrast to Abraham (through Isaac) being called the "father of many nations".

Galatians 3 & 4 heavily references Genesis 15-17. In fact it is the primary scripture Paul uses in Galations to prove to them his doctrine from scripture. Galations 4:24-31 also demonstrate (Paul uses the argument himself) that the Jewish covenant (the law) corresponds directly to Hagar and Ishmael. Both being the heirs according to the flesh, whereas Sarah, Isaac, and Jesus Christ are heirs by promise. Paul asks those who desire to be under the law if they have read the law - referring to when God tells Abraham to cast out the bondwoman and her son (Hagar & Ishmeal) because they would not be heirs with Christ, and the children of promise.