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JonC

JonC

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KJB1611reader said:
All one needs for eternal life is to believe the Gospel and sealed.

God shall chastice us, remind us and as we walk closer to Him in spiritual walk. That for Rewards but in no way affectsalvation.
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What does God say thst He will do (how, in the OT, is salvation described)?

He will take remove our old heart, our old spirit, and give us a new heart and spirit.
He will put His Spirit in us.

AND?

He will cause us to obey His commands.

We are saved for good works that we will do them.


The problem I see with your idea here is it allows for a "dead useless faith", allows for a "mind set on the flesh" to produce life, for a "mind set on the Spirit" not to "produce hood works that accompany salvation".
 
KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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JonC said:
What does God say thst He will do (how, in the IT, is salvation described)?

He will take remove our old heart, our old spirit, and give us a new heart and spirit.
He will put His Spirit in us.

AND?

He will cause us to obey His commands.

We are saved for good works that we will do them.


The problem I see with your idea here is it allows for a "dead useless faith", allows for a "mind set on the flesh" to produce life, for a "mind set on the Spirit" not to "produce hood works that accompany salvation".
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Someone can be saved and.still Bck slide.
 
JonC

JonC

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KJB1611reader said:
OSAS, Once saved, always saved. All needed is to trust the Gospel! Faith alone!!!!
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Hold up.....that is not OSAS (OSAS does not negate the necessity of fruits of the Spirit in the life of the believer).

Per OSAS those who do not bear "fruits of the Spirit" or who end up leaving the faith were never truely saved *they may have had a cognitive beluef but no true belief....a head belief but not a heart belief).
 
KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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JonC said:
Hold up.....that is not OSAS (OSAS does not negate the necessity of fruits of the Spirit in the life of the believer).

Per OSAS those who do not bear "fruits of the Spirit" or who end up leaving the faith were never truely saved *they may have had a cognitive beluef but no true belief....a head belief but not a heart belief).
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So, to be saved need a fruit...

I am done with this conversation.

Au revoir,.merci parle to moi.

Shawn
 
KJB1611reader

KJB1611reader

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JonC said:
I understand your post. The "discipline" part is wrong. Only those who "hold fast to the end" are saved.
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'Endure to end...' just contradicted Osas.

I believe what breaker, ruckman, gene believe on this subject. Once trusted the Gospel,.for.ever saved.no.matter what.
 
JonC

JonC

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KJB1611reader said:
Kindly close the thread.'

Merci,

Shawn
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Shawn, you keep sstarting threads and when faced with facts and Scripture you run away and demand the thread be closed.

For me, my answer is "no".

You don't have to continue in the discussion but you have introduced some very odd ideas, and frankly several heresies since you have been here, that others may want to discuss.

If anything, maybe you will open up to God's Word in the future and want to revisit these threads.
 
JonC

JonC

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KJB1611reader said:
'Endure to end...' just contradicted Osas.

I believe what breaker, ruckman, gene believe on this subject. Once trusted the Gospel,.for.ever saved.no.matter what.
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No, Jesus did not contradict OSAS when He said "The one who endures to the end will be saved".
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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JonC said:
Actually, the title has to be descriptive of the OP discussion per BB rules.
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Yes, and except for well-known ones like "OT" and "KJV", it might be an idea to avoid acronyms. I didn't know what GES was until another poster explained it, and I don't know what dbr (an acronym used, not in the thread title, but in a post on this thread) means.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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KJB1611reader said:
I still don't get it.
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I have already quoted Ephesians 2:8-10, where Paul wrote to the Christians in Ephesus reminding them how they had been saved - by God's grace, through faith, not of works. Then verse 10 tells them that they were saved, not to carry on living as they had before they were saved, but "for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." That is clear, surely. Good works don't save anybody. But good works result from being saved. Galatians says:

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.” (Ga 5:22-23 NKJV)
 
Layman

Layman

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KJB1611reader said:
I believe what breaker, ruckman, gene believe on this subject. Once trusted the Gospel,.for.ever saved.no.matter what.
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As I said, Shawn, you are allowing men to interpret the Bible for you instead of reading it for yourself. You are one step away from becoming a Roman Catholic.

Your version is the Gospel is one where all you need is to know facts about who Jesus is. No repentance and no fruits are required. Heck, you don’t even need to continue believing.

It is clear to me that you don’t know what the Biblical Gospel is. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the one you preach is not just a heresy, but it is a damnable heresy.

So you have two choices: you can either stop acting so arrogant and childish when we confront you with scripture and actually listen to what we’re saying, or you can continue to remain in error.
 
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