Sin brought in both physical and spiritual dearh, Brother Wes. When they sinned, God drove them from the Garden, and the Tree of Life, lest they eat and live forever. When they ate, they ushered in death for us all...we suffer death due to their rebellion...
Sin itself did not cause their physical death, because they could have eaten the tree of life and lived forever as sinners. Isn't that what the scripture says?
They and we die as a consequence of sin because man was sent out of the garden. That is actually a blessing, as physical death is man's greatest incentive to come to God.
Exactly. Yet he brought death to all of us through no fault of our own. We suffer the consequences of their wickedness.
We physically die because of Adam's sin, we spiritually die for our own sin.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived,
and I died.
Paul was spiritually alive until he learned the law. When he learned the law he was convicted as a sinner and spiritually died. He did not spiritually die because of Adam, he died for his own sin. He was not born dead in sin, and he did not spiritually die because of Adam's sin.
No disagreement here, Brother Wes. :thumbs:
Yes, sin caused their spiritual death that day. They did not physically die until over 900 years later.
No disagreement here,either. :thumbs:
Correct, they could have lived forever as sinners. If sin causes physical death, then eating the tree of life would not have helped them.
Sin brought death, period, Brother Wes. Unless they had sinned,nothing would have stopped them from the Tree of Life. They would have never died because sin brings death.
Sin brings spiritual death.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
Romans 9:11 shows that babies have not sinned in the womb. Do babies physically die? YES. Therefore sin does not cause physical death.
Again, sin brought both physical and spiritual death......
We die physically as a consequence of sin. It is like a drunk bus driver driving off a cliff, all his passengers die as a consequence of his sin, but they did not participate in his sin and are not guilty of his sin.
You're taking the dispensational approach to this, whereas I am an amill, but this is a wee bit above my paygrade. Revelation is a very deep book, and I can't swim...LOL
Well, Revelation says the leaves of the tree are for healing. What is dispensational about that? Many medicines are made from leaves.
But I have tended to see this as more of a reference to Jesus, than anything else...
Well, I agree, we will have to wait until we fully understand these things. But Revelation does suggest that the leaves of the tree of life have physical healing powers. Perhaps they prevent aging and disease??
The Tree of Life is a symbol of Jesus and after they sinned, all mankind was cutoff from access to that Tree. That's why we're born with a sinful nature. We were born w/o access to it.
Eating the tree of life would not give you a good nature, that is why God chased Adam and Eve out of the garden. It would prevent you from physically dying.
It was the innocent animal that was slain to make coats that covered them that was a figure of Jesus.
I have given the best detailed response I can. Blessings....
Thank you, this was a good post for me too. :thumbs:
