Me2 writes:
My problem is Man inventing an alternative plan that permits God to punish and torment mankind in some state of eternal afterlife..... Even before being declared guilty!
Scott responds:
1st of all.........."inventing", this is your opinion. 2nd, you state that God punishes men for eternity prior to being "declared guilty". Me2, are you not aware that "ALL" men deserve hell? All men have fallen in father Adam. All men should go to hell based upon Adams sin. If one begins here with this premise, theology proper follows suit. So.........men are NOT sent to hell before being declared guilty. Even before they are born, they are guilty.
Me2 then adds:
Just as some seem to create loopholes in Gods Curse, that is designed to Eliminate all possibilities of escaping his sovereign control.
Scott asks:
Me2 Who is God? Can the created thing escape from God? One cannot escape control that is sovereign.
You add:
They tend to now want God to selectively administer "Righteous imputation" on some..... while leaving others to the winds of Fate or even predestined to be tortured...All of these ideas lead to the notion of some kind of impartial unfairness of God towards some and eventually towards All...
Scott continues........How can God be unfair? All deserve hell remember?
Please read this scripture carefully.
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
~Paul is saddened for Israel
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Me2 writes:
The only fair view is the imputation of righteousness on All unrighteousness
which is back to your point..will God Save Everybody ?..
My reply is, "its everybody or nobody"...We all deserve the same fate.
Thats Faith in God..It's All or Nothing.
It's his way, or no way
Scott asks:
Please explain the above.......it's quite "blurry". My question was: If Christs' propitiating at Calvary was for everyone, then everyone has been "pardoned". If everyone has been pardoned, then why do men still go to hell?
