OSAS Trap

[Silverhair]

I’m pointing out the truth from the words of scripture itself.

Did you even read the scriptures I posted?

How do you think I know that your view is errant?. The scriptures do not support the RCC. The RCC has not used the scriptures to uplift God but too uplift a man, your Pope.

You need to repent and ask God to forgive you of the many sins of the institution that you support.

 

[Cathode]

As soon as you said "Catholics have a long and documented Apostolic lineage and priesthood going back to Apostolic times." you lost all credibility. That is just a false narrative that has no basis in fact.

It’s a simple fact of history.

 

[Cathode]

How do you think I know that your view is errant?. The scriptures do not support the RCC. The RCC has not used the scriptures to uplift God but too uplift a man, your Pope.

Catholics are pre Bible Christianity the one Church Jesus founded on the Apostles.

Bible alone Protestantism is the failed reconstruction of christianity by misinterpretation of text alone. None of its conflicting doctrines are settled to this day.
If Protestantism was a piece of furniture, it would be a fur lined ocean going Frankensofa with knobs on it.

 

[Mikoo]

Don’t skip around it man, souls are at stake. People are in pernicious delusions out there.

I remember a guy who was cheating on his wife, but said it was ok because he was born again, couldn’t lose his salvation.

People need to be warned. The drama of salvation is playing out right now.

I have a terrible dread for these people, they are in for a very rude shock.

If we don’t warn people, their blood is on us as the Lord says.

Ruffle feathers for thine own safeties sake, if not just for the love neighbour.

Don’t skip around it man, souls are at stake. People are in pernicious delusions out there.

I remember a guy who was cheating on his wife, but said it was ok because he was roman catholic, he can just go to confession on Saturday before mass and the priest will absolve him.

People need to be warned. The drama of salvation is playing out right now.

I have a terrible dread for these people, they are in for a very rude shock.

If we don’t warn people, their blood is on us as the Lord says.

Ruffle feathers for thine own safeties sake, if not just for the love neighbor.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If you don’t believe James here, get a black marker and blot out his words from your Bible.

You certainly don’t believe what he is teaching that the brethren can fall away from the truth and into sin and death.

James isn’t teaching once saved always saved, that’s for sure.

Why would it cover a multitude of sins for the one who rescues a fallen from the truth member of the Church.

Why would James even countenance the idea that a member of the Church could fall away from truth and end in sin and death in the first place.

Once saved Always saved is false, unscriptural and deadly.

Taken from the Atlanta primitive Baptist church beliefs:

To believe that a saved person can be lost is to believe that God is not the possessor of all power and of all wisdom. Salvation is of the Lord and if that salvation becomes ineffective, the wisdom of God must not have been sufficient to provide for every need, nor the power of God sufficient to overcome every enemy. Paul wrote in Romans 8:38-39, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Ecclesiastes 3:14 declares, "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail" (Psalm 89:30-33). "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:6). Certainly a person saved by God will never fall into condemnation. A brother or sister may fallfrom the doctrine of grace for Paul said, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel." "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace" (Galatians 1:6; 5:1-4 ).

 

[Silverhair]

It’s a simple fact of history.

Your RCC version of history but not factual history. The RCC has just made up what they require so as to support their view.

 

[Silverhair]

Catholics are pre Bible Christianity the one Church Jesus founded on the Apostles.

Bible alone Protestantism is the failed reconstruction of christianity by misinterpretation of text alone. None of its conflicting doctrines are settled to this day.
If Protestantism was a piece of furniture, it would be a fur lined ocean going Frankensofa with knobs on it.

As I said the RCC has just made up what they require to support their false theology. The RCC is not a continuation of the apostles which can be clearly seen in that you do not even follow what they or Christ taught. The RCC in many ways just counters true Christianity.

I understand that you want to support a theology that you are invested in but you need to let go of the errant man made theology that is the RCC and just trust scripture.

 

[canadyjd]

The Church in James called on the Elders for prayers anointing for healing and the forgiveness of sin.
So it is through the instrumentality of the Elders prayers and anointing that people are healed and forgiven.
It doesn’t say ‘call on Jesus directly ‘.

Catholics have the biblical model.

“for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ “ 2 Corinthians 2:10

Paul forgave sin in the person of Christ, ‘Persona Christi’ we Catholics call it, where a priest forgives sin in the person of Christ.

When you act in someone’s Person, like a King or Sovereign, you are acting with their power and authority.

Which is the binding and loosing authority granted by Christ, Jesus confirms and ratifies in heaven what His Apostolic agents on earth bind or loose.

As Ambrose put it in amazement, all judgement was granted to the Son by The Father, but Jesus gives this power to the Apostles by The Holy Spirit.

So through the instrumentality of the Elders people are healed and forgiven.

The Catholic and very biblical model.

No one can forgive sin against God but God alone..

No one has been given the Power that belongs to Christ alone.

We are called upon to forgive others of their trespasses against us, but forgiveness of the sin by God, belongs to God alone.

And yes, we go directly to God. There is no mediator between God and man but Jesus Christ.

The entire RCC priestly system is designed to usurp the authority of Christ and recreate a barrier between God and man like that in the OT system of sacrifices.

That veil has been torn. We have direct access to God Himself. We don’t need a priest, a cardinal, a Pope or a dead Christian (and especially not Mary) to have access to our Lord Jesus Christ and His grace.

Peddle this nonsense elsewhere.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Preservation. Agree.

Perseverance

 

[kyredneck]

Perseverance

Yes. Preservation.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes. Preservation.

That's what I said, perseverance.

 

[kyredneck]

That's what I said, perseverance.

Yes, God's perseverance preserves us.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes, God's perseverance preserves us.

I don't disagree with that at all.

 

[MMDAN]

 

[MrW]

Preservation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How do you think I know that your view is errant?. The scriptures do not support the RCC. The RCC has not used the scriptures to uplift God but too uplift a man, your Pope.

You need to repent and ask God to forgive you of the many sins of the institution that you support.

Silverhair, please note that the majority of RC’s have been born into that particular church system and then are trained from infantry & are reinforced by traditional parochial schools….so what am I suggesting, they are brainwashed to believe that the RCC is the only true church. So it’s tough to escape. But some do and what a wake up call that is. Just bear that in mind when communicating with these people. Ease into it, offer alternatives, give them reason to research alternatives and explore the scriptures as others interpret them. Go gentle into that good night.

 

[Silverhair]

Silverhair, please note that the majority of RC’s have been born into that particular church system and then are trained from infantry & are reinforced by traditional parochial schools….so what am I suggesting, they are brainwashed to believe that the RCC is the only true church. So it’s tough to escape. But some do and what a wake up call that is. Just bear that in mind when communicating with these people. Ease into it, offer alternatives, give them reason to research alternatives and explore the scriptures as others interpret them. Go gentle into that good night.

I do understand what you are saying and with many RC's I can have been more gentle but we have seen Cathode on here a number of times trying to push his views.

I have presented a number of fact based arguments against the RCC in other threads but he has just brushed them of and continued to repeat the standard response we have come to expect from him.

He is not looking for truth but rather just acceptance of the RCC dogma.

 

[Cathode]

No one can forgive sin against God but God alone..

No one has been given the Power that belongs to Christ alone.

We are called upon to forgive others of their trespasses against us, but forgiveness of the sin by God, belongs to God alone.

And yes, we go directly to God. There is no mediator between God and man but Jesus Christ.

The entire RCC priestly system is designed to usurp the authority of Christ and recreate a barrier between God and man like that in the OT system of sacrifices.

That veil has been torn. We have direct access to God Himself. We don’t need a priest, a cardinal, a Pope or a dead Christian (and especially not Mary) to have access to our Lord Jesus Christ and His grace.

Peddle this nonsense elsewhere.

peace to you

Thomas Aquinas "Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a prefiguration of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ" Summa[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summa_Theologica'] Theologiae III, 24, 4c.

Jesus continues His work in His Apostles and their successors, they are His ministers.


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[Silverhair]

Thomas Aquinas "Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a prefiguration of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ" Summa Theologiae III, 24, 4c.

Jesus continues His work in His Apostles and their successors, they are His ministers.

So Aquinas thought the RCC way was correct, now that is a surprise.

You have shown that you fully agree with the RCC way of understanding scripture. As errant as it is.

But you can not expect us who do not agree with that view to support it. You have made many false claims on this and other threads in the attempt to support the RCC. You have not convinced anyone that that view is correct. History and scripture prove that the RCC is not following the teachings of Christ.

Cathode you are fighting a loosing battle. We are Baptists, we believe and hold to scripture not what some man or group of men tells us scripture says. From your Pope down your whole system is run by fallible men who in their arrogance think they have some special gift from God. They think they are the only ones who can rightly interpret scripture and they can add teachings to the bible that were never there.

Your RCC is more in line with the Pharisees then they are with the Apostles.

 

[canadyjd]

..
Thomas Aquinas "Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a prefiguration of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ" Summa Theologiae III, 24, 4c.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060629030917/http://www.newadvent.org/summa/402204.htm
Jesus continues His work in His Apostles and their successors, they are His ministers.

The Apostle Paul: 1 Timothy 2:5 “There is one God and one mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ”

You follow RCC tradition and I follow scripture.

The divide can never be reconciled.

Your attempt to find ignorant Christians and beguile them with RCC dogma will fail on the BB.

Again, thank you for clearly presenting your error so all that have eyes to see can easily understand.

peace to you