Out of Touch Democrats

[GoodTidings]

The Democrat candidates are completely out of touch with reality and these debates prove it. Their plans would destroy our economy and our country, but they really don’t care. Part of the reason is that they, generally, have a level and source of income that would insulate them from the consequences of their policies, so they don’t have to care. They would not suffer under the policies they want to afflict upon regular Americans. Their salaries are paid by the government, and they have special access to highly profitable side hustles that would land the rest of us in jail if we were getting rich the same way. So, their socialist agenda will not adversely affect them, as they operate outside of the system and above the law.

Bernie and the rest of the 2020 candidates want higher taxes on the rich and the middle class. They want to take away your private health insurance, put you in long waiting lines for health care, and while you wait, your health gets worse and the worse it gets, the more expensive gets to treat and as it gets more expensive, the less likely the government will be willing to pay for it, depending on your age and the kind of care you need. But they don’t care. As a side note, at least they have dispensed with the elaborate fiction that they are only going to over-tax the rich. We knew that it would not end with just the rich.

What we have learned is that they are okay with YOU paying up to 70% + in income tax. For every $1000 you earn, you would get to keep $300. But they don’t care. They are taken care of. They have their own health insurance and they won’t be forced into Single Payer. Single Payer is for the peasants and pretty much anyone who is not residing in the DC Beltway. They want to take away your tax cuts, bring back job killing regulations, punish you for building wealth, force you to pay for college loans you never applied for, force you to pay slavery reparations you don’t owe, and give your wealth to illegal aliens who have no right to be here, in the first place.

 

[GoodTidings]

In addition, they want to take away your wealth, and the life you have worked hard to build, and then transfer it to illegal aliens. They want illegals to have access to benefits they don’t pay into like Welfare, Social Security, Food Stamps, free medical, free college, free housing. Your job is to just shut up and pay for it, you racist.

What is so mind boggling to me is why anyone who is wealthy would support presidential candidates who want to punish them for being wealthy? Why would the rich have big fundraising dinners for candidates who are going to turn around the next day and tell Americans that these same rich people are the enemies of America? Why support someone who is going to demonize you later on? I seriously do not get that.

The rich create jobs in two ways: The rich obviously create businesses that employ people who then pay taxes and the more people you have employed who are paying taxes, the more tax revenue you create without raising taxes. Secondly, the rich buy cars, homes, etc. They have incredible buying power and that buying power creates a demand for businesses to produce products like boats, cars, automobiles, etc. The people who buy a Porsches, for example, keep a lot of people employed. They keep the employees, who produce every component that goes into those cars, employed. Those employees can feed their families and put their kids through school and save for retirement, as result of the rich exercising their immense buying power. It’s really simple. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. You don’t punish the people who help keep wheels of industry turning in this country.

I shudder to think what it will be like in this country when Trump is no longer in office after 2024, if the Lord tarries.​

 

[GoodTidings]

On Tuesday, Julian Castro stated that he is for "reproductive justice." Apparently, he believes that it should extend to transgender women (biological males). In other words when these transgender, biological males get pregnant, they should have access to abortions just like biological women. Do they really believe the stuff they are saying?

I mean, I am so tired of being called "anti-science" because I reject Evolution. I am called anti-science by the same people who would applaud Castro's policy which flies in the face of science. And this is not graduate school science we talking about. This is 7th grade science.

How does a grown man say those kinds of things and maintain any degree of self-respect? How does he look at himself in the mirror? These debates are basically Leftist stupidity on parade, but this statement about men having abortions takes the cake, in my opinion. It was the craziest thing that was said.

The Democrat party is spiraling into irrelevancy.

 

[777]

So I take it you weren't impressed by the debates either? Watched both of them, there was something really off about them, and it's not just the kooky things they said, like Castro being all for men having abortions - - - it was just like the borg, a bunch of NPCs with different faces and bodies spouting the same rhetoric. And the moderation was just awful, and the MSM isn't above leaking the questions in advance to their favorites.

Ugh. Who won? Don't agree it was Kamala, busing isn't an issue from this century and in the other one, Liz Warren just sounded like the self-righteous scold that she is. But I hope one of the two get the nomination instead of Biden, they could never, ever beat Trump. Still think next year is his to lose but beyond that worries me, since I wouldn't doubt that the next president after Trump will be one of those two dozen plus whackjobs that were on the stage this week. They ALL were for gun control to the point of confiscation (molon labe), "free" health insurance for illegal aliens (that American citizens without health insurance have to pay for now in CA), climate change "solutions" aka "cap and trade" (backfired on them big time when they tried to pass that down in Oregon this month), socialized medicine (Bernie blew it when he admitted taxes would have to increase to pay for it), and abortion on demand, whenever, although the NPCs called it "reproductive freedom", how Orwellian.

Out of all of them, only Hinckenlooper warned them not to fully embrace socialism as he was partially embracing it. And why did that fake Italian guy De Basio go after the fake Hispanic, Kammy was just trying to topple the front runner? They are united against Trump but they all want the nomination, and pushing each other further and further left, rendering the eventual nominee unelectable this time. But in four years, Americans will want a change and I can see them going for one of these nuts and electing him/her.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The Democrat candidates are completely out of touch with reality and these debates prove it. Their plans would destroy our economy and our country, but they really don’t care. Part of the reason is that they, generally, have a level and source of income that would insulate them from the consequences of their policies, so they don’t have to care. They would not suffer under the policies they want to afflict upon regular Americans. Their salaries are paid by the government, and they have special access to highly profitable side hustles that would land the rest of us in jail if we were getting rich the same way. So, their socialist agenda will not adversely affect them, as they operate outside of the system and above the law.

Bernie and the rest of the 2020 candidates want higher taxes on the rich and the middle class. They want to take away your private health insurance, put you in long waiting lines for health care, and while you wait, your health gets worse and the worse it gets, the more expensive gets to treat and as it gets more expensive, the less likely the government will be willing to pay for it, depending on your age and the kind of care you need. But they don’t care. As a side note, at least they have dispensed with the elaborate fiction that they are only going to over-tax the rich. We knew that it would not end with just the rich.

What we have learned is that they are okay with YOU paying up to 70% + in income tax. For every $1000 you earn, you would get to keep $300. But they don’t care. They are taken care of. They have their own health insurance and they won’t be forced into Single Payer. Single Payer is for the peasants and pretty much anyone who is not residing in the DC Beltway. They want to take away your tax cuts, bring back job killing regulations, punish you for building wealth, force you to pay for college loans you never applied for, force you to pay slavery reparations you don’t owe, and give your wealth to illegal aliens who have no right to be here, in the first place.

GW Bush just about destroyed our economy with his tax cut and the two longest wars in U.S. history. Obama saved us. Trump has made things worse. The negative effects of his disastrous policies is beginning to be seen and will get far worse in the next year.

The top tax bracket applies to single taxpayers earning over $0.5 M.(married over $0.6M). This rate is currently 37%. Historically it has been higher especially when we had a war to pay off (mainly WWII and Vietnam). A chart of the top rate is attached. The Democrats are focusing on raising the top tax rate so the wealthy can begin to pay their fair share. In addition, the capital gains rate is now at 20% for individuals and married men with incomes at about $450K. This is the lowest it's been since 1934 except for GW Bush's administration and 1937-1940. The usual rate during the last 95 years has been 25% and it's been as high as 35%.

I'm retired and on Social Security and a pension. It would be GREAT if any of these top rates applied to me rate applied to me but sadly they do not. Congratulations if you are in the top brackets.



Actually, I'm talking about fiscal conservatism. We still have to pay off the last two long wars.

 

[FollowTheWay]

In addition, they want to take away your wealth, and the life you have worked hard to build, and then transfer it to illegal aliens. They want illegals to have access to benefits they don’t pay into like Welfare, Social Security, Food Stamps, free medical, free college, free housing. Your job is to just shut up and pay for it, you racist.

What is so mind boggling to me is why anyone who is wealthy would support presidential candidates who want to punish them for being wealthy? Why would the rich have big fundraising dinners for candidates who are going to turn around the next day and tell Americans that these same rich people are the enemies of America? Why support someone who is going to demonize you later on? I seriously do not get that.

The rich create jobs in two ways: The rich obviously create businesses that employ people who then pay taxes and the more people you have employed who are paying taxes, the more tax revenue you create without raising taxes. Secondly, the rich buy cars, homes, etc. They have incredible buying power and that buying power creates a demand for businesses to produce products like boats, cars, automobiles, etc. The people who buy a Porsches, for example, keep a lot of people employed. They keep the employees, who produce every component that goes into those cars, employed. Those employees can feed their families and put their kids through school and save for retirement, as result of the rich exercising their immense buying power. It’s really simple. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you. You don’t punish the people who help keep wheels of industry turning in this country.

I shudder to think what it will be like in this country when Trump is no longer in office after 2024, if the Lord tarries.​

There has already been a hUGE wealth transfer in America from the bottom 90% to the top 0.1%. You must have missed it. Trump and his cronies Reagan, and both Bushes did a nifty job of picking all of our pockets.



Notice the increase in lower, middle and upper middle class wages compared to ultra high class wages took place in 1980-1985. That was Reagan with Voodoo Economics.

 

[777]

No, Bernie admitted he'd have to raise the taxes on everyone last night to pay for ":free" healthcare Their cap and trade scheme would call for a huge tax increase across the board as well. Fiscally conservative NOT!

 

[GoodTidings]

GW Bush just about destroyed our economy with his tax cut and the two longest wars in U.S. history. Obama saved us. Trump has made things worse. The negative effects of his disastrous policies is beginning to be seen and will get far worse in the next year.

The top tax bracket applies to single taxpayers earning over $0.5 M.(married over $0.6M). This rate is currently 37%. Historically it has been higher especially when we had a war to pay off (mainly WWII and Vietnam). A chart of the top rate is attached. The Democrats are focusing on raising the top tax rate so the wealthy can begin to pay their fair share. In addition, the capital gains rate is now at 20% for individuals and married men with incomes at about $450K. This is the lowest it's been since 1934 except for GW Bush's administration and 1937-1940. The usual rate during the last 95 years has been 25% and it's been as high as 35%.

I'm retired and on Social Security and a pension. It would be GREAT if any of these top rates applied to me rate applied to me but sadly they do not. Congratulations if you are in the top brackets.

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Actually, I'm talking about fiscal conservatism. We still have to pay off the last two long wars.

If some people want to pay 70% in income taxes, they are free to take out THEIR checkbook and write a check to the US Treasury in the amount they think they should pay over and above what they are currently taxed. They can spend their own money as they see fit.

I pay enough in taxes and I don't want to pay more than I do. So you Dems keep your hands off of my money. I earned it and I intend to keep it.

 

[GoodTidings]

There has already been a hUGE wealth transfer in America from the bottom 90% to the top 0.1%. You must have missed it. Trump and his cronies Reagan, and both Bushes did a nifty job of picking all of our pockets.

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Notice the increase in lower, middle and upper middle class wages compared to ultra high class wages took place in 1980-1985. That was Reagan with Voodoo Economics.

Actually the middle class is growing and the job market is booming. I realize that liberals like to do a Jedi mind trick to make us think that the things that are happening, are not really happening. Trump has done wonderful things for the economy and yes, it has been good for rich and poor alike and that is a good thing. Rich people create jobs. And punishing them for being rich is insane.

 

[FollowTheWay]

If some people want to pay 70% in income taxes, they are free to take out THEIR checkbook and write a check to the US Treasury in the amount they think they should pay over and above what they are currently taxed. They can spend their own money as they see fit.

I pay enough in taxes and I don't want to pay more than I do. So you Dems keep your hands off of my money. I earned it and I intend to keep it.

I doubt anybody wanted to pay 90% after WWII under Ike but we had a huge debt to repay. Again, that's called fiscal conservatism. GW Bush drained the Social Security Trust Fund to minimize his deficit but it was still large. I certainly didn't want him to do that.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Actually the middle class is growing and the job market is booming. I realize that liberals like to do a Jedi mind trick to make us think that the things that are happening, are not really happening. Trump has done wonderful things for the economy and yes, it has been good for rich and poor alike and that is a good thing. Rich people create jobs. And punishing them for being rich is insane.

You've been conned. That's simply not true. The American Middle Class is dying.

 

[GoodTidings]

You've been conned. That's simply not true. The American Middle Class is dying.

No, it is not.

• "Median U.S. household income … rose 1.8% to an all-time high of $61,372 in 2017."
• "Employers added an average 223,000 jobs a month last year, up from 179,000 in 2017. And unemployment sank to a near 50-year low."
• "Average U.S. wages climbed 3.3% in 2018, after being stuck at 2.5% to 2.7% (growth) for several years."
• "Industries that employ middle-class workers in particular are benefiting. Manufacturers have added about 450,000 jobs since Trump took office, the largest two-year total in decades."
• "The number of factory jobs 'reshored,' or shifted to the U.S. from overseas … hit a record 170,00 in 2017." (Emphases added.)

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/middle-class-revival-trump/


Sorry Liberals, Middle Class is THRIVING Under President Trump

Sorry Liberals, Middle Class is THRIVING Under President Trump

As much as Democrats and the lying liberal media would like to see President Trump fail and the country go down the drain, the opposite is happening.

Minorities are doing better under President Trump than Obama, and now, we’re getting numbers that probe the middle-class is thriving as well.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics released its newest jobs report on Friday, and the data clearly show, under the pro-business policies implemented by the Trump administration, low-income and working-class families are enjoying significant economic gains not experienced in nearly 20 years.

Democrats and liberal pundits have argued the recent economic improvements are only helping a relatively small, mostly wealthy segment of the country, but nothing could be further from the truth. According to BLS, the national unemployment rate for December was 4.1 percent, a 0.6 percentage point drop from December 2016. That’s an impressive figure, especially since the unemployment rate stayed flat at 4.9 percent from January 2016 through October 2016, the final month before Trump’s election victory. But what’s especially remarkable is the extent to which working-class Americans are profiting under Trump and Republican leadership in Congress.

For instance, the unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma was 6.3 percent in December 2017, down from 7.6 percent one year earlier. Further, the average monthly unemployment rate for this demographic in 2017, 6.5 percent, is the lowest it’s been since 2000 and the second-lowest figure in BLS’ data for that demographic, which goes back 26 years to 1992.

The unemployment rate for workers who have graduated from high school but don’t have a college degree is equally impressive. It dropped from 5.1 percent in December 2016 to 4.2 percent in December 2017, and the monthly average unemployment rate, 4.6 percent, is the best it’s been since 2007. Further, the average unemployment rate for this group in the final four months of 2017, 4.28 percent, was lower than any annual average recorded since 2001.

The quality of the jobs available has also improved. The average number of Americans 16 years or older working part-time for economic reasons, about 4.91 million in December 2017, is about 600,000 jobs less than December 2016 and the lowest figure for the month of December in a decade. That means more Americans who have been forced to work part-time are finding higher-paying, full-time employment.

Data for the third quarter of 2016, the most recent available, show weekly full-time wages improved compared to 2016, with workers without college degrees enjoying some of the most significant increases.

Additionally, enrollment in a variety of social programs has dropped off, serving as further proof of how Trump’s pro-business, free-market policies are promoting economic growth. Food stamp rolls have decreased dramatically. Total national enrollment declined by 3.3 percent from September 2016 to September 2017, and only three states experienced enrollment increases.

From October 2015 to October 2016, enrollment in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program grew by 2.9 million people, to 74.7 million. But from October 2016 to October 2017, the most recently available data, Medicaid enrollment dipped by about 500,000, a truly astounding turnaround.

Some might claim working-class families should thank former President Barack Obama, not Trump, for the improving economy, but a fair analysis of the available economic data reveals although the economy had been improving slowly for a long time under Obama, its rate of increase rose markedly once Trump won the election in November 2016. This isn’t a coincidence.

Investors, businesses, and consumers are more confident today than at any time under Obama because Republicans in Congress and the Trump administration have scaled back burdensome and unnecessary regulations, approved important economic projects such as the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, and promised and delivered a massive tax reform law. Job creators big and small are taking advantage of these policies, and working-class families are benefiting.

There are many good reasons to believe the best is yet to come. In 2018, the economy is expected to continue growing and families across the country will soon be giving much less of their hard-earned money to the federal government because of the recently approved Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. This legislation lowers most tax rates, doubles the standard deduction, and provides families with children a $2,000 per-child tax credit, $1,400 of which will be refundable, meaning many lower- and middle-income families will be able to get a much bigger tax refund.

The Trump administration also recently announced it plans to open most of America’s offshore territory to drilling, which could add thousands of new jobs over the next decade and make the United States more energy independent.

Left-leaning Democrats and liberal pundits have said repeatedly over the past century the only way to get the economy moving forward is for government to take greater control over markets, spend billions or even trillions of tax dollars, and redistribute wealth. The Trump administration and congressional Republicans have taken a completely different approach. It’s paying off for everyone, including working-class Americans.

 

[GoodTidings]

I doubt anybody wanted to pay 90% after WWII under Ike but we had a huge debt to repay. Again, that's called fiscal conservatism. GW Bush drained the Social Security Trust Fund to minimize his deficit but it was still large. I certainly didn't want him to do that.

No, 90% income tax is not fiscal conservatism. It's only liberals that are running around promising to raise taxes, not conservatives. Conservatives believe that if you have more people working, more jobs, you don't have to raise taxes because you have a broader tax base shouldering the burden. You don't know what you are talking about. All you seem to have is warmed over stew about Bush.

You cannot address the low taxes and low unemployment that Obama said could never happen under Bush. But it did, and suddenly, Obama wanted to take credit for an economy HE and the liberal media said could never happen.

You Liberals can't have it both ways. You cannot claim that the economy is horrible when you want to bash Trump, but then turn around and claim that Obama deserves credit for the economic boom that is occurring on Trump's watch. I find it humorous that you guys have such an internally inconsistent message. Either the economy is doing great and Obama should get the credit, or the economy is bad and Trump should be blamed. Which is it?

 

[GoodTidings]

I doubt anybody wanted to pay 90% after WWII under Ike but we had a huge debt to repay. Again, that's called fiscal conservatism. GW Bush drained the Social Security Trust Fund to minimize his deficit but it was still large. I certainly didn't want him to do that.

Bush was not a conservative. You keep equating "Republican" with "Conservative" and that is incorrect. Bush did not cut taxes the way that Trump has; those were pretty minor cuts, not the kind the country really needed. The kind of REAL tax cut that we have now, hasn't been done since Reagan.

 

[FollowTheWay]

There has already been a hUGE wealth transfer in America from the bottom 90% to the top 0.1%. You must have missed it. Trump and his cronies Reagan, and both Bushes did a nifty job of picking all of our pockets.

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Notice the increase in lower, middle and upper middle class wages compared to ultra high class wages took place in 1980-1985. That was Reagan with Voodoo Economics.

Notice the DECREASE....

 

[GoodTidings]

Notice the DECREASE....

I don't operate from your charts, I go off of facts and I presented facts that you can't address. And you cannot address why you leftists wanted to give Obama credit for the current economic boom.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I don't operate from your charts, I go off of facts and I presented facts that you can't address. And you cannot address why you leftists wanted to give Obama credit for the current economic boom.

The charts are derived from FACTS. I'll find the numbers and post them later.

 

[GoodTidings]

The charts are derived from FACTS. I'll find the numbers and post them later.

Yes post your so-called "facts" and I will then explain why you're wrong and you can respond and I will again show you why you're wrong and we can keep going round and round for as long as you like.

 

[Benjamin]

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[FollowTheWay]

Yes post your so-called "facts" and I will then explain why you're wrong and you can respond and I will again show you why you're wrong and we can keep going round and round for as long as you like.

You simply can't beat me in a rational argument with fair judges.