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GoodTidings

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You simply can't beat me in a rational argument with fair judges.
So far, you have NEVER in any thread ever been able to refute one thing I have ever said to you. I respond and you just disappear and the post some irrelevant article that never addresses what I said. Your responses are nothing but the same warmed over Democrat talking points you get from CNN or some other Communist rag. You promote socialism, but can't defend it.

Your posts demonstrate nothing but a hatred for America, capitalism and freedom. You only ever support people who are the most anti-American, pro-socialist/Marxist, anti-freedom, anti-Constitution members in our government and you cannot refute anything we have said about them. Perhaps you would be happier in a socialist country like Venezuela or North Korea.

The one batting zero is you.
 

FollowTheWay

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I don't operate from your charts, I go off of facts and I presented facts that you can't address. And you cannot address why you leftists wanted to give Obama credit for the current economic boom.
This came from a study by Deutsche Bank. I have the presentation but not the write-up. Maybe it's available on the internet. IK'll look for it. But for now, here's tghe full presentation.
https://www.db.com/newsroom_news/Inequality_Jan2018.pdf

This is the slide we're talking about but there is a great deal of other information in the presentation (81 pages).
 

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FollowTheWay

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No, 90% income tax is not fiscal conservatism. It's only liberals that are running around promising to raise taxes, not conservatives. Conservatives believe that if you have more people working, more jobs, you don't have to raise taxes because you have a broader tax base shouldering the burden. You don't know what you are talking about. All you seem to have is warmed over stew about Bush.

You cannot address the low taxes and low unemployment that Obama said could never happen under Bush. But it did, and suddenly, Obama wanted to take credit for an economy HE and the liberal media said could never happen.

You Liberals can't have it both ways. You cannot claim that the economy is horrible when you want to bash Trump, but then turn around and claim that Obama deserves credit for the economic boom that is occurring on Trump's watch. I find it humorous that you guys have such an internally inconsistent message. Either the economy is doing great and Obama should get the credit, or the economy is bad and Trump should be blamed. Which is it?
90% was the high income tax rate under Ike. He had the support of the Congress and a large majority of Americans. You're claiming Ike was a leftist and not fiscally conservative?
No, Bernie admitted he'd have to raise the taxes on everyone last night to pay for ":free" healthcare Their cap and trade scheme would call for a huge tax increase across the board as well. Fiscally conservative NOT!
Tell me where the trillions of dollars spent in Afghanistan and Iraq came from.
 

GoodTidings

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90% was the high income tax rate under Ike. He had the support of the Congress and a large majority of Americans. You're claiming Ike was a leftist and not fiscally conservative?
What I am saying is that a 90% income tax is not conservative. There is a such thing as liberal Republicans.

Tell me where the trillions of dollars spent in Afghanistan and Iraq came from.
Liberal spending. Bush was a Liberal. You should applaud his liberal spending.
 

GoodTidings

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This came from a study by Deutsche Bank. I have the presentation but not the write-up. Maybe it's available on the internet. IK'll look for it. But for now, here's tghe full presentation.
https://www.db.com/newsroom_news/Inequality_Jan2018.pdf

This is the slide we're talking about but there is a great deal of other information in the presentation (81 pages).
Income inequality is a myth in the US. It is a common Liberal talking point, but it is based on a myth. There is no income inequality, at least not the way the Liberals spin it.
 

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That's right but I don't see the argument here - is he contending that just because the US threw away all that money is those wars that now we're just cash cows? Those old marginal rates came with loads of loopholes, nobody paid that rate, ever. They were meaningless in practice.
 

FollowTheWay

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What I am saying is that a 90% income tax is not conservative. There is a such thing as liberal Republicans.


Liberal spending. Bush was a Liberal. You should applaud his liberal spending.
No. This was not liberal spending. I think we should cut military spending and demand an immediate audit of the Pentagon. They literally can't account for trillions of dollars they've been given.
 

GoodTidings

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No. This was not liberal spending. I think we should cut military spending and demand an immediate audit of the Pentagon. They literally can't account for trillions of dollars they've been given.
Yes, it was liberal spending. You don't know what you're talking about. The ONLY people who squawk about raising taxes are liberals.
 

HankD

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On Tuesday, Julian Castro stated that he is for "reproductive justice." Apparently, he believes that it should extend to transgender women (biological males). In other words when these transgender, biological males get pregnant, they should have access to abortions just like biological women. Do they really believe the stuff they are saying?

I mean, I am so tired of being called "anti-science" because I reject Evolution. I am called anti-science by the same people who would applaud Castro's policy which flies in the face of science. And this is not graduate school science we talking about. This is 7th grade science.

How does a grown man say those kinds of things and maintain any degree of self-respect? How does he look at himself in the mirror? These debates are basically Leftist stupidity on parade, but this statement about men having abortions takes the cake, in my opinion. It was the craziest thing that was said.

The Democrat party is spiraling into irrelevancy.
WAIT! As a joke Trump said he was going to run for a third term and many CNN progressives had seizures publicly on TV when they were told.
 

GoodTidings

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WAIT! As a joke Trump said he was going to run for a third term and many CNN progressives had seizures publicly on TV when they were told.
LOL, yes they did. And Trump does that on purpose just to get a rise out of them. Trump is always trolling the Democrats. He says outrageous things like wanting to be president for life or running for a third term just to watch them lose their minds and start setting their hair on fire. I get a kick out of watching them as they suddenly become constitutional scholars and do wall to wall coverage on why they think Trump wants to be a dictator and all that.

I get a kick out of it because it is a lot like my own sense of humor.
 

Adonia

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No. This was not liberal spending. I think we should cut military spending and demand an immediate audit of the Pentagon. They literally can't account for trillions of dollars they've been given.

Sure, cut military spending in a world with the likes of China, Russia, and Muslim extremists everywhere. Yep, you sure are a genius with that idea.

Our problem is the spending on entitlements, things that are mentioned no where in the Federal Constitution. That, plus the massive debt we now have with interest payments in the BILLIONS of dollars.
 

HankD

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LOL, yes they did. And Trump does that on purpose just to get a rise out of them. Trump is always trolling the Democrats. He says outrageous things like wanting to be president for life or running for a third term just to watch them lose their minds and start setting their hair on fire. I get a kick out of watching them as they suddenly become constitutional scholars and do wall to wall coverage on why they think Trump wants to be a dictator and all that.

I get a kick out of it because it is a lot like my own sense of humor.
This shows how out of touch with reality some folks are when they cannot discern a sense of humor - why? they have no sense of humor themselves, lost it along the way.
 

Reynolds

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The Democrat candidates are completely out of touch with reality and these debates prove it. Their plans would destroy our economy and our country, but they really don’t care. Part of the reason is that they, generally, have a level and source of income that would insulate them from the consequences of their policies, so they don’t have to care. They would not suffer under the policies they want to afflict upon regular Americans. Their salaries are paid by the government, and they have special access to highly profitable side hustles that would land the rest of us in jail if we were getting rich the same way. So, their socialist agenda will not adversely affect them, as they operate outside of the system and above the law.

Bernie and the rest of the 2020 candidates want higher taxes on the rich and the middle class. They want to take away your private health insurance, put you in long waiting lines for health care, and while you wait, your health gets worse and the worse it gets, the more expensive gets to treat and as it gets more expensive, the less likely the government will be willing to pay for it, depending on your age and the kind of care you need. But they don’t care. As a side note, at least they have dispensed with the elaborate fiction that they are only going to over-tax the rich. We knew that it would not end with just the rich.

What we have learned is that they are okay with YOU paying up to 70% + in income tax. For every $1000 you earn, you would get to keep $300. But they don’t care. They are taken care of. They have their own health insurance and they won’t be forced into Single Payer. Single Payer is for the peasants and pretty much anyone who is not residing in the DC Beltway. They want to take away your tax cuts, bring back job killing regulations, punish you for building wealth, force you to pay for college loans you never applied for, force you to pay slavery reparations you don’t owe, and give your wealth to illegal aliens who have no right to be here, in the first place.
Fully agree. I fear that a large segment of the voters are equally out of touch with reality.
 

FollowTheWay

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WAIT! As a joke Trump said he was going to run for a third term and many CNN progressives had seizures publicly on TV when they were told.
President's don't joke about things like that especially Trump. Wait and see.
 

GoodTidings

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The graph really doesn't speak to the reality on the ground.

Wealthy people are wealthy for a variety of reasons. Not all of them are born into it. I worked in a company where the people who made the highest wages, also went the extra mile. They were always available for over time, they invested in classes relevant to the company to make themselves more valuable to the company. They advanced and they made a lot more money than those who were there for a paycheck.

Wealthy people tend to take more risks. They start companies that employ more people and they provide a valuable service that people need and are willing to buy.

Why should someone who is flipping burgers make the same amount of money as a heart or brain surgeon?

"Inequality" suggests that people are being denied equal pay that they deserve and that is not the case at all. Some one delivering pizza does not deserve to make the same amount of money as a surgeon or medical specialist. No one goes to Harvard medical and incurs $100,000 or more in student loan debt just to make $20,000 a year.

Higher paying jobs often require more education, more experience, more responsibility, more of an investment of time, more skills, etc.

When you apply to a job, you agree to work for the wages that are offered, so there is no "inequality" or injustice in some people making more money than others.
 
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