Palin fights back

[InTheLight]

Actually that is what makes the use of the term appropriate.

Really? So who was the specified target of the shootings? Which specific ethnic or religious group was selected for the shooter's wrath?

 

[rbell]

Surveyors do not use the word 'bullseye", hunters and rifle scope users ust that term. It is time for her supports to start being honest.

And it's also time for her detractors to quit being intellectually dishonest and pretending that she was trying to incite violence.

You do understand the concept of a "figure of speech," right?

I'm not asking about the wisdom of particular ones...just making sure you understand that Palin did not literally "target" certain folks.


I'm not a huge Palin fan. I really don't want her to run for President. I've never watched her reality show. And I could seriously care less how well (or poorly) her daughter dances.

But the fixation on her, particularly by the networks (as well as intellectually dishonest attacks by folks such as Crabby), make one almost want to engage in a passive-agressive defense of Palin. It makes you think, "Why on earth do they hate this woman so much?"

 

[rbell]

Washington Post, 1991: "New York Newsday columnist Jim Dwyer, who published an interview with Accomando Friday, said the notion of so many bystanders watching a child being raped should have been treated more skeptically. 'It's a blood libel against New York,' he said. 'It's the kind of thing that feeds on everyone's wicked view of the city.'"

‎"I mean, almost a blood libel by the Republicans towards Al Gore, saying that he was trying to stop men and women in uniform that are serving this country from voting."--Rep. Peter Deutsch, Nov. 21, 2000


‎"Paladino speaks of 'perverts who target our children and seek to destroy their lives.' This is the gay equivalent of the medieval (and Islamist) blood-libel against Jews."--Andrew Sullivan, Oct. 12, 2010


"Blood Libel Against the United Nations"--headline on a Washington Post letter to the editor in 1996 rebutting the charge that 500,000 Iraqi children had died as a result of sanctions (presumably for reasons unrelated to Passover)

"Racism can explain part, but not all, of why the welfare state's equivalent of the blood libel stuck."--Samuel G. Freedman, reviewing "The Myth of the Welfare Queen" by David Zucchino in the Washington Post, 1997

NYT book review, 1989: "During the yellow fever plague a form of blood libel is imposed on the blacks in Philadelphia; they are said to be both responsible for and immune to sickness because of the color of their skin."

Thank you for showing the abject hypocrisy that the media has--apparently, this phrase is more offensive when certain people use it. Reminds me of the ridiculous "n-word" hypocrisy (it's a terrible word...unless you're black). Make up your mind, folks!

I agree ... as I have said in other posts both sides need to tone down their language and graphics.

Sorry, but I don't believe your sentiments are genuine in the least.

If you believed what you said in earnest...then why do I never see you criticize anyone on the left for such behavior?

 

[targus]

Really? So who was the specified target of the shootings? Which specific ethnic or religious group was selected for the shooter's wrath?

The meaning of the term "blood libel" has evolved - as do the meanings of many words - to include a false accusation that one party caused another party’s death.

The liberal left was blaming Palin and conservative commentors for the shooting deaths - so her use of the word was accurate and correct.

Stay in school. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Crabtownboy]

I'm not asking about the wisdom of particular ones...just making sure you understand that Palin did not literally "target" certain folks.

I have never said she targeted anyone for violence.

I have said that such talk is more likely to bring about violence than it is to bring peace.

But the fixation on her, particularly by the networks (as well as intellectually dishonest attacks by folks such as Crabby), make one almost want to engage in a passive-agressive defense of Palin. It makes you think, "Why on earth do they hate this woman so much?"

She brings it on herself with her inflammatory and controversial remarks. In your opinion is her type of rhetoric more likely to bring about peace between people or strife?

Words are powerful. Metaphor is powerful? Politicians on both sides should be careful of their words and not aim to inflame supporters or detractors.

 

[InTheLight]

The meaning of the term "blood libel" has evolved - as do the meanings of many words - to include a false accusation that one party caused another party’s death.

The liberal left was blaming Palin and conservative commentors for the shooting deaths - so her use of the word was accurate and correct.

Stay in school. :smilewinkgrin:

Sorry, I'll go with the definition provided by conservative Jews--Prager and Medved--rather than someone else's contention that the word's meaning has changed.

 

[targus]

Sorry, I'll go with the definition provided by conservative Jews--Prager and Medved--rather than someone else's contention that the word's meaning has changed.

Did you look at the numberous examples of the use of the term that I provided?

Language is fluid - new words and new uses of words are evolving everyday.

You, Prager and Medved don't own the English language.

Common use is common use - and you don't control it or define it.

You don't have to like it - but you do have to live with it.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Saw an e-mail blog where the number of death threats against Palin is past counting since this incident and the lefts portrayal of her as the cause...

 

[Crabtownboy]

Did you look at the numberous examples of the use of the term that I provided?

Language is fluid - new words and new uses of words are evolving everyday.

You, Prager and Medved don't own the English language.

Common use is common use - and you don't control it or define it.

You don't have to like it - but you do have to live with it.

Show us your source or sources showing how the meaning has changed.

 

[InTheLight]

Saw an e-mail blog where the number of death threats against Palin is past counting since this incident and the lefts portrayal of her as the cause...

And how would this e-mail blog have knowledge of the number of death threats Palin has received?

 

[targus]

Show us your source or sources showing how the meaning has changed.

I have posted numerous examples on this thread.

Do your homework.

 

[InTheLight]

Language is fluid - new words and new uses of words are evolving everyday.

You, Prager and Medved don't own the English language.

Common use is common use - and you don't control it or define it.

You don't have to like it - but you do have to live with it.

So, since language evolves and changes and whatever becomes common usage is valid, therefore "Tea Baggers" is a perfectly good term to use when referring to Tea Party members?

 

[Crabtownboy]

I have posted numerous examples on this thread.

Do your homework.

Give us the links. You occasionally give opinion ... but no links to back it up. Show us links showing the the phrase has changed in meaning.

 

[targus]

So, since language evolves and changes and whatever becomes common usage is valid, therefore "Tea Baggers" is a perfectly good term to use when referring to Tea Party members?

People do say it.

It is usually meant in a derisive way - with the intent to offend.

Do you think that Palin had the same intent?

 

[targus]

Give us the links. You occasionally give opinion ... but no links to back it up. Show us links showing the the phrase has changed in meaning.

Clean your glasses, Magoo.

I gave links.

Try this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXw0xnUqs0

 

[Matt Black]

So, since language evolves and changes and whatever becomes common usage is valid, therefore "Tea Baggers" is a perfectly good term to use when referring to Tea Party members?

Not over here, it wouldn't be, since it means something rather rude and anatomical!

 

[targus]

Not over here, it wouldn't be, since it means something rather rude and anatomical!

It is worse - it is a slang term used in the gay community to refer to a specific act between gay men.

The contextual origin of the word is what gives some people such delight in turning it against the Tea Party members.

InTheLight being the latest.

 

[InTheLight]

It is worse - it is a slang term used in the gay community to refer to a specific act between gay men.

The contextual origin of the word is what gives some people such delight in turning it against the Tea Party members.

InTheLight being the latest.

No, I think it is a vile derogatory term used against Tea Party members. Please read what I write, not what you want to see.

Prager seems to be changing his stance today in the wake of leftists denigrating Palin for using the term 'blood libel'.

 

[targus]

No, I think it is a vile derogatory term used against Tea Party members. Please read what I write, not what you want to see.

Prager seems to be changing his stance today in the wake of leftists denigrating Palin for using the term 'blood libel'.

I did read your words.

You chose a specific word for a specific reason.

Why did you choose to use that particular example?

Why not another?

 

[rbell]

think what you want. Targus is correct in the phrase's etymology.

Up until the Tea Party began a couple of years back, what Targus said is precisely what the phrase meant in the US.