OldRegular
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Is that poll by the Communist News Network or the Clinton News Network?
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Palin Is Right
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Is that poll by the Communist News Network or the Clinton News Network?
Who in particular are you referring to (with proof)?
Go to this link.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18280675/...-of-Scarce-Medical-Interventions?classic_ui=1
Go to page 6 of the article "Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions" - co-authored by Ezekiel Emanuel and published January 2009.
Look at the chart on page 6 titled "Age-based priority for receiving scarce medical interventions under the complete lives system".
Notice how the young - under age 10 years - and the elderly - ages 60 years and older - are allocated a small portion of the "scarce medical interventions".
This is a large piece of Ezekiel Emanuel' vision for our health care system and he is Obama's advisor.
The cornerstone of his plan is to withhold treatment from the elderly.
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I saw that before
The topic of prisoners and healthcare is, imo, way off topic. I think the broader question is: Are incarcerated individuals entitled to a fundamental level of healthcare, and what constitutes a fundamental level of healthcare? That's probably much better suited to a different thread entirely.
Re the OP: is this the same Sarah Palin who endorsed end of life counselling when Governor of Alaska? Surely not!
Why should anyone be surprised about the soon to come "death panel" from a society that first condoned abortion, then late term abortion, then partial birth abortion.
And OBTW euthanasia is already legal here in my home State of Washington and our neighbor State of Oregon sanitized and disguised under the label of "Assisted Suicide" and "Death with Dignity".
If your mind is hindered and you can't make the decision yourself to "leave" due to senility, dementia, alzheimers (and who decides the "ability to choose"?), etc, then your family and/or the state will presumably make it for you.
So it's been removed from the bill, ya, like "the check is in the mail".
Senior citizens get your houses in order. Seeing the way that abortion evolved into abortions of convenience and partial birth abortion we don't have long.
We who have paid into the system all of our lives.
My wife and I calculated that we have paid about $250,000 into the SSA retirement program "cookie jar" alone (apart from federal taxes). Said cookie jar having been robbed and now emptied.
In addition, I am a veteran and was willing to lay down my life for these politicians (although many of them wern't even born yet). Thanks for the free death.
OK, anyone who wants to can now tattle and "flag" me.
HankD
And OBTW euthanasia is already legal here in my home State of Washington and our neighbor State of Oregon sanitized and disguised under the label of "Assisted Suicide" and "Death with Dignity".
If your mind is hindered and you can't make the decision yourself to "leave" due to senility, dementia, alzheimers (and who decides the "ability to choose"?), etc, then your family and/or the state will presumably make it for you.
So it's been removed from the bill, ya, like "the check is in the mail".
Senior citizens get your houses in order. Seeing the way that abortion evolved into abortions of convenience and partial birth abortion we don't have long.
We who have paid into the system all of our lives.
My wife and I calculated that we have paid about $250,000 into the SSA retirement program "cookie jar" alone (apart from federal taxes). Said cookie jar having been robbed and now emptied.
In addition, I am a veteran and was willing to lay down my life for these politicians (although many of them wern't even born yet). Thanks for the free death.
OK, anyone who wants to can now tattle and "flag" me.
HankD
What are you implying, the Democrats are MORE wrong or that they are ALSO wrong?
Palin's statement is a lie. There is no death panel or bureaucratic board to determine your worth. So it appears to me they are both lairs.
Since when was he an Obama adviser? Do you have proof of that?
Moreover, it doesn't matter what he wrote or his views on this topic, this is no where in any of the proposals. Even if he had Kevorkian as an adviser, as long as the legislation doesn't reflect his practice of assisted suicides then who cares?
Many of our founding fathers had and believed in slaves but you don't see that reflected in our constitution...
Why did you stop there OR? You left off your previously posted definition that explains this life sustaining order.
If you find euthanasia in this clause then it is self euthanasia since the order, "communicates the individual's preferences regarding life sustaining treatment".
OldRegular
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The bill as presently written provides for end of life consultations and those are not necessarily by a doctor. Once the bill is signed into law then the bureaucrats have to write the regulations implementing the law. Who will be squealing the loudest when the end of life discussions become a reality, the end of life! I vote for all those on this thread who joyously call Governor Palin a liar.
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is the health-policy advisor at the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and a member of the Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research (FCCCER) and also the brother of the President's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.
And yes his views do matter. At very least they ought to matter to Christians and they certainly matter to me.
The views of the President's advisors are why he selected them in the first place, otherwise he could use a lottery to determine who will advise him.
Go here to see abstracts of Dr. Emanuel writings where he advocates age profiling and social worth as criteria to determine who gets priority health care.
http://www.examiner.com/x-9452-DC-C...dvocates-denying-care-to-elderly-and-disabled
In other words, leave the ederly and those of least social worth to fend for themselves (In other words, let them die).
Selection of these kinds of "experts" are IMO, the first step in a governmment sponsored system of eugenics.
Please, wake up and smell the Formaldehyde!
HankD
OldRegular
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In that paper those under 3-4 years old rate about the same as those 60 and over. But that is what one would expect from Obama!
The major reason is that they have no investment value.
Once they start going to school they begin accruing social value due to the tax investment of their education.
HankD
Pure evil..............
In the full article it appears that the "complete lives" method of selection is given the greatest endorsement.
Under this method the value of the complete life is brought into the statistical model.
Consideration of selection for priority health care under this method would be done primarily by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants because adolescents have received substantial investments of education and parental care. investments which infants have not yet received. This group also has the greatest hope of recovery and future contribution to society. The overall optimum return on investment curve being the 20 - 40 year old group.
George Orwell and Aldous Huxley would be proud.
HankD
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The whole concept is based on individual health care decisions are determined by what is the greater good for the community. It is straight from the pit of hell.
Everyone who opposes increased medical support for the poor kills newborn children.
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Newborn Hospital Deaths Highest for Those without Insurance
And those transferred between facilities also had higher mortality rates, study says
Saturday, August 15, 2009
http://health.usnews.com/articles/h...ospital-deaths-highest-for-those-without.html
WEDNESDAY, Dec. 17 (HealthDay News) -- Newborns, especially those lacking insurance, make up the bulk of children who die while in a hospital, new research shows.
The study, published in a recent issue of the Journal of Hospital Medicine, also found that children who were transferred between hospitals died in greater numbers than those who stayed in one hospital.
"As health-care providers and institutions expand their efforts to meet the needs of severely ill children and their families, they need to be aware of the higher mortality rates among the youngest children, those without insurance coverage and those who are transferred from one hospital to another," study co-author Dr. Matthew M. Davis, an associate professor of general pediatrics and internal medicine at the Child Health Evaluation and Research Unit of the University of Michigan Medical School, said in a news release issued by the school. "These children and families may require support services and end-of-life care beyond what is typically available in many hospitals."
The research, which looked at data between 1992 and 2002, found that more than 40 percent of deaths among children occur while they are hospitalized. Almost 69 percent of these are newborns, a fact tempered by newborns also making up the majority of child hospitalizations, the authors noted.
The mortality rate of children without insurance was 0.58 percent in 2002, compared with 0.45 percent for children with Medicaid and 0.33 percent for those covered by private insurance.
Children who were transferred from another hospital, regardless of age, had vastly higher mortality rates than those stayed in one hospital. In 2002, the rate was 1.33 percent for transferred 1- to 5-year-old children, more than five times that of same-aged children who weren't transferred. Among newborns, the gap was greater with 4.75 percent mortality for transfers versus 0.36 percent for non-transfers.
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People without insurance might be examined on an emergency basis at one hospital but are typically shuttled to the "general hospital for the indigent."