Part 2: OK... I still have these nagging questions:

[James_Newman]

Wouldn't doing a bad job at work be analogous to being a slothful servant?

Matthew 25:26-30
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strewed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto everyone that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Oh, but thats right, Jesus' parables don't hold a candle to the ones that you guys tell.

 

[webdog]

That's swell. However, if I am to be persuaded to your view, I'm going to need to be persuaded by the Holy Bible. Thus, what verse is analogous to our losing our job at the JSOC?

...um...the one where it states we will "suffer loss"?

 

[webdog]

Wouldn't doing a bad job at work be analogous to being a slothful servant?

Matthew 25:26-30
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strewed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto everyone that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Oh, but thats right, Jesus' parables don't hold a candle to the ones that you guys tell.

The slothful servant was not a believer. You cannot assume "servant" in a parable is speaking of a believer, as your camp so often does.

 

[Rufus_1611]

...um...the one where it states we will "suffer loss"?

Alright. Where are you getting your definition of what "suffer loss" will be? What makes you believe that a disobedient child of God will become unemployed at the JSOC?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If my son disobeyed me today, for how many weeks should I put him in a hot shed full of yellowjackets as punishment?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Alright. Where are you getting your definition of what "suffer loss" will be? What makes you believe that a disobedient child of God will become unemployed at the JSOC?

Where are you getting your thousand years in outer darkness/hell from?

 

[Accountable]

You guys like the analogies...I gave one. You do a bad job at work, you lose your job, which is "suffering loss". You are not sent away to prison for 50 years for not working hard enough.

What kind of analogy is this?

If I don't water the flowers, what happens? I loose the flowers.

So can I now say that the reward for bad works is loss of flowers?

 

[TCGreek]

TCGreek,

First, thank you for your decorum and your respectful manner of debate.

Second, I imagine you have stated this prior but could you give me a summary of your take on the unprofitable servants? Do you believe the unprofitable servant to be saved, a Jew or something else?

Finally, what do you believe outer darkness to be?

Before I can answer your questions, I need to know what text you have in mind?

 

[James_Newman]

The slothful servant was not a believer. You cannot assume "servant" in a parable is speaking of a believer, as your camp so often does.

Then I guess neither is the lazy Christian who loses his job.

 

[npetreley]

Where are you getting your thousand years in outer darkness/hell from?

He pulled it out of his ash tray. You know, the one where the fire is not quenched...

 

[Rufus_1611]

Before I can answer your questions, I need to know what text you have in mind?

Matthew 25.

 

[Accountable]

...um...the one where it states we will "suffer loss"?

suffer loss of a job........... umm......... Survey says XXX

 

[Accountable]

The slothful servant was not a believer. You cannot assume "servant" in a parable is speaking of a believer, as your camp so often does.

Can you give me an example where Jesus called an unsaved man His servant in which He gave His goods to?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

He pulled it out of his ash tray. You know, the one where the fire is not quenched...

Silly me... I skipped over that chapter.

 

[Accountable]

Alright. Where are you getting your definition of what "suffer loss" will be? What makes you believe that a disobedient child of God will become unemployed at the JSOC?

With his "analogy" comes interesting ideas.
I guess that guy who lost his job because of laziness was allowed tocome back to the company everyday and just sat around in the break room eating twinkies?

I would say that with this analogy would come a casting out from the company, I would also say he lost his benefits, 401K, and vacation time?

Is this part of your analogy webdog?

 

[Accountable]

If my son disobeyed me today, for how many weeks should I put him in a hot shed full of yellowjackets as punishment?

I don't know but I would believe whole heartedly that it wouldn't be for an eternity!

Question, is that in the Good news for modern man? I haven't seen yellowjackets in Hell.:wavey:

 

[James_Newman]

It's more like the man who owns a large company and his lazy son-in-law. He just gives him a big fat paycheck for sitting at a desk making origami because he doesn't want his daughter to starve.

 

[Accountable]

It's more like the man who owns a large company and his lazy son-in-law. He just gives him a big fat paycheck for sitting at a desk making origami because he doesn't want his daughter to starve.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any better, here comes James!:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

I'm sorry. I didn't realize they taught you chemistry and algebra in Kindergarden.

Do you teach baptism before you teach the gospel of grace or are you proclaiming anything at all?

Do you teach tithing before someone recieves Christ as Saviour or is that something you deal with afterwards?

Do you teach the Lord's Supper before?

It does make a difference!

BTW, these are questions I am interested in having you answer.

That is a poor comparison.

If you preach the whole gospel, you will have to start with the sinful and hopeless condition of the sinner who will suffer in hell for eternity without Christ. This is the bad news. Then you move on to the good news, that Christ took his punishment and through his faith in that fact and his acceptance that he is a sinner in need of savior, he will be saved.

THAT is the gospel. Pure and simple. Nothing left out.

 

[TCGreek]

Matthew 25.

1. First, let me go on record as saying that I believe we are now living in the mystery form of the Kingdom.

2. Therefore, my eschatology is somewhat different than many on BB.

3. The slave who turned out to be "worthless" was a tear among the wheat (Matt.13). But in Matt. 8:12 "sons of the kingdom" are Jews.

4. Outer darkness is a descriptive term for Gehenna.