Part 2: OK... I still have these nagging questions:

[Amy.G]

Actualy Amy, I was honest to her family by telling them, as they asked, that she was in the hands of a just God. They understood that her rewards might be negative yet they were able to take comfort in the fact that she has eternal life.
Her son, nephew, and brother, all rededicated their lives to the Lord directly after the funeral. They are all serving Jesus in their local churches. They were strengthened by God and by His Word in the service.

Losing rewards is Biblical. Believers spending 1000 years in hell is not.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

So you only share "part" of your Kingdom Accountability gospel? Isn't that deceptive? I think you can do a 1000 years for that!:laugh:

Possibly longer... if not repentant.

 

[Mike Berzins]

The famous evangelist, John R. Rice did not "persevere to the end." He became "soft," as some would say. He allowed compromise to sway his thinking. He no longer held to some of the doctrines that he held in earlier years.
If you had preached at his funeral what would you have said?
"John R. Rice you did not persevere! You will spend 1000 years in a Baptist Purgatory suffering in the same type of torment as Hell."
Now that is what I call real comfort. The thousands at his funeral probably would have taken the OT law into their hands and dragged you to the limits of the city and stoned you to death.

So what if he didn't go "soft" but instead fell into unrepentant, continual adultery until the day he died? Would you preach that he was never saved to begin with?

 

[DHK]

So what if he didn't go "soft" but instead fell into unrepentant, continual adultery until the day he died? Would you preach that he was never saved to begin with?

The what if, is not a what if. I heard John R. Rice preach in person. I have his books. I have read his sermons. His salvation is not in question. The doctrines concerning salvation are not in question.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

We don't need it visible yet again.

6. No spamming. Don't flood the board with commercial posts, irrelevant or otherwise useless material.

13. No cross posting. Do not post the same message to more than one forum. (Source: http://www.baptistboard.com/postingrules.html)​

Looks like the ME proponents are breaking rule 13. They keep posting the false doctrine of ME in thread after thread after thread after...

 

[Rufus_1611]

Looks like the ME proponents are breaking rule 13. They keep posting the false doctrine of ME in thread after thread after thread after...

Looks like you're breaking rule 6 again with your irrelevant non-arguments.

btw...there have been a pretty balanced amount of Kingdom Accountability threads opened by its proponents as its antagonists and if you don't like the topic, I encourage you to consider all of your available options relative to your participation.

 

[Hope of Glory]

So what if he didn't go "soft" but instead fell into unrepentant, continual adultery until the day he died? Would you preach that he was never saved to begin with?

Don't expect an answer to this question ever.

 

[Mike Berzins]

The what if, is not a what if. I heard John R. Rice preach in person. I have his books. I have read his sermons. His salvation is not in question. The doctrines concerning salvation are not in question.

Don't duck the question. It was a hypothetical statement. As you hypothetical asked what someone would preach at his funeral, I am asking what you would have preached if he hypothetically had fallen into adultery. Would his adultery prove that he was never saved to begin with?

 

[Accountable]

Losing rewards is Biblical. Believers spending 1000 years in hell is not.

Amy, What is the reward for bad works?

 

[webdog]

Amy, What is the reward for bad works?

loss of your job...not your life.

 

[Rufus_1611]

loss of your job...not your life.

Loss of your job? What verse says that?

 

[Accountable]

So you only share "part" of your Kingdom Accountability gospel? Isn't that deceptive? I think you can do a 1000 years for that!:laugh:

I'm sorry. I didn't realize they taught you chemistry and algebra in Kindergarden.

Do you teach baptism before you teach the gospel of grace or are you proclaiming anything at all?

Do you teach tithing before someone recieves Christ as Saviour or is that something you deal with afterwards?

Do you teach the Lord's Supper before?

It does make a difference!

BTW, these are questions I am interested in having you answer.

 

[TCGreek]

Losing rewards is Biblical. Believers spending 1000 years in hell is not.

As simple as that.

 

[webdog]

Loss of your job? What verse says that?

You guys like the analogies...I gave one. You do a bad job at work, you lose your job, which is "suffering loss". You are not sent away to prison for 50 years for not working hard enough.

 

[Accountable]

The famous evangelist, John R. Rice did not "persevere to the end." He became "soft," as some would say. He allowed compromise to sway his thinking. He no longer held to some of the doctrines that he held in earlier years.
If you had preached at his funeral what would you have said?
"John R. Rice you did not persevere! You will spend 1000 years in a Baptist Purgatory suffering in the same type of torment as Hell."
Now that is what I call real comfort. The thousands at his funeral probably would have taken the OT law into their hands and dragged you to the limits of the city and stoned you to death.

Yet I preach His Word over and Over in church, funerals, and on the street. I have yet to have a rock thrown at me at a funeral. Most come from right here in the BB.

Thank you for your concern for my well being though.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

You guys like the analogies...I gave one. You do a bad job at work, you lose your job, which is "suffering loss". You are not sent away to prison for 50 years for not working hard enough.

Excellent point, webdog!

 

[Rufus_1611]

As simple as that.

TCGreek,

First, thank you for your decorum and your respectful manner of debate.

Second, I imagine you have stated this prior but could you give me a summary of your take on the unprofitable servants? Do you believe the unprofitable servant to be saved, a Jew or something else?

Finally, what do you believe outer darkness to be?

 

[Accountable]

Looks like the ME proponents are breaking rule 13. They keep posting the false doctrine of ME in thread after thread after thread after...

Time to talk out of the otherside.

 

[Rufus_1611]

You guys like the analogies...I gave one. You do a bad job at work, you lose your job, which is "suffering loss". You are not sent away to prison for 50 years for not working hard enough.

That's swell. However, if I am to be persuaded to your view, I'm going to need to be persuaded by the Holy Bible. Thus, what verse is analogous to our losing our job at the JSOC?

 

[npetreley]

You guys like the analogies...I gave one. You do a bad job at work, you lose your job, which is "suffering loss". You are not sent away to prison for 50 years for not working hard enough.

Good one! Time to change the Bible again...

Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry about what to wear, since after a while He will throw you fully clothed into the oven for 1,000 years if you don't toil or spin enough!

Funny -- I never thought that was the meaning of the analogy until the ME folks saved me from my sense of assurance that God loves me...