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Partial Preterism and Futurism Continued
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Can YOU prove any pret assertions?
Face it Sportzz Fanzz -
For preterism to be true, its followers must**PROVE** the prophesied events they SAY have happened, have INDEED already happened. So far, they're batting ZERO.
The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple aren't usually cited by prets in their doctrine except as parts of other events such as the great trib. Now, there's plenty of empirical evidence & documentation those destructions occurred. Not one stone of the temple was left upon another, just as Jesus said.
Now, Jesus didn't directly say J would be rebuilt, but he implied it by saying it would be trampled underfoot by gentiles til the fullness of the gentiles had come in, that is, when all the gentiles to be saved, ARE saved.
The pret doctrine generally includes the coming of the "beast" & his deputy the false prophet, the "abomination of desolation", the marka the beast, the great trib, & in the case of full preterism, the returna Jesus. IT'S VERY-OBVIOUS THOSE EVENTS HAVE NOT yet occurred! Those are HUGE, SPECTACULAR events, but they're totally absent from history.
Preterism could be proven true ONLY if those events had already occurred, but they HAVEN'T, so preterism is false.
But, rather than admit they've been deceived into believing a false doctrine, prets will try to justify it by trying to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status, or by saying, "Here's what that passage REALLY means......" & inventing a whole new meaning for it.
Brethren, GOD'S WORD SEZ WHAT IT MEANS & MEANS WHAT IT SEZ! We do NOT have license to make it read differently to try to cause it to fit a pet doctrine or agenda. God's word is a set of ABSOLUTES, being mostly-literal, with mosta its symbolism explained by other Scriptures, or easily-discerned by our overview of all Scripture.
Remember, preterism was mostly invented by the jeezits of the 16th century, who were trying to keep their pope from being labeled the antichrist. They relied on the general public of the time not being overly-familiar with world history. And unfortunately, more than one other catholic believed them.
Truth is, the eschatological prophecies of the Olivet Discourse and revelation have NOT yet been fulfilled. Otherwise, the prets could name the antichrist & false prophet, describe the marka the beast, etc. And if the great trib has already occurred, then Jesus is long-overdue, according to His own words!
Yes, preterism is one of the easiest false doctrines to completely refute! No pret can prove even one of their doctrine's assertions!
"""PRETERISM - PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!"""
For preterism to be true, its followers must**PROVE** the prophesied events they SAY have happened, have INDEED already happened. So far, they're batting ZERO.
The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple aren't usually cited by prets in their doctrine except as parts of other events such as the great trib. Now, there's plenty of empirical evidence & documentation those destructions occurred. Not one stone of the temple was left upon another, just as Jesus said.
Now, Jesus didn't directly say J would be rebuilt, but he implied it by saying it would be trampled underfoot by gentiles til the fullness of the gentiles had come in, that is, when all the gentiles to be saved, ARE saved.
The pret doctrine generally includes the coming of the "beast" & his deputy the false prophet, the "abomination of desolation", the marka the beast, the great trib, & in the case of full preterism, the returna Jesus. IT'S VERY-OBVIOUS THOSE EVENTS HAVE NOT yet occurred! Those are HUGE, SPECTACULAR events, but they're totally absent from history.
Preterism could be proven true ONLY if those events had already occurred, but they HAVEN'T, so preterism is false.
But, rather than admit they've been deceived into believing a false doctrine, prets will try to justify it by trying to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status, or by saying, "Here's what that passage REALLY means......" & inventing a whole new meaning for it.
Brethren, GOD'S WORD SEZ WHAT IT MEANS & MEANS WHAT IT SEZ! We do NOT have license to make it read differently to try to cause it to fit a pet doctrine or agenda. God's word is a set of ABSOLUTES, being mostly-literal, with mosta its symbolism explained by other Scriptures, or easily-discerned by our overview of all Scripture.
Remember, preterism was mostly invented by the jeezits of the 16th century, who were trying to keep their pope from being labeled the antichrist. They relied on the general public of the time not being overly-familiar with world history. And unfortunately, more than one other catholic believed them.
Truth is, the eschatological prophecies of the Olivet Discourse and revelation have NOT yet been fulfilled. Otherwise, the prets could name the antichrist & false prophet, describe the marka the beast, etc. And if the great trib has already occurred, then Jesus is long-overdue, according to His own words!
Yes, preterism is one of the easiest false doctrines to completely refute! No pret can prove even one of their doctrine's assertions!
"""PRETERISM - PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!"""
MY HERO NERO
Many prets believe Nero was the "beast/antichrist/that Wicked/son of perdition/man of sin".
But they're WRONG !
Why?
1.) The beast will commit the AOD by entering the temple, setting up his statue in it, which the FP will supernaturally cause to speak, declare himself to be God, & demand that he & his statue be worshipped. Nero was never in Jerusalem, so he couldn'ta done those things.
2.) The beast will overthrow three other kings or rulers to attain his full power. Nero was APPOINTED Caesar by the Senate & Claudius, his grand-uncle & stepfather.
3.) The main "beast" will have another "beast" as his deputy who will be a miracle-working false prophet. Nero had no deputy at all, let alone one who could work miracles!
4.) No man can overcome the "beast". Nero was overthrown by the revolts of General Galba .
5.) Nero never issued, nor ordered to be issued, any "mark of the beast". To say his image on Roman coins was that mark is more-than-absurd & ridiculous!
6.) The Revelation plainly sez that the beast and false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus' return, but Nero DIED by having his secretary Epaphrodatus stab him. Galba's men, who'd come to arrest Nero, tried to save his life, but he died in fronta them.
Thus, while Nero was a pretty evil person, he was NOT the great antichrist "beast". The REAL "beast MUST fulfill EVERY prophecy about him EXACTLY, TO THE LETTER. Sorry, prets, you're gonna hafta find another candidate to be your beast!
Many prets believe Nero was the "beast/antichrist/that Wicked/son of perdition/man of sin".
But they're WRONG !
Why?
1.) The beast will commit the AOD by entering the temple, setting up his statue in it, which the FP will supernaturally cause to speak, declare himself to be God, & demand that he & his statue be worshipped. Nero was never in Jerusalem, so he couldn'ta done those things.
2.) The beast will overthrow three other kings or rulers to attain his full power. Nero was APPOINTED Caesar by the Senate & Claudius, his grand-uncle & stepfather.
3.) The main "beast" will have another "beast" as his deputy who will be a miracle-working false prophet. Nero had no deputy at all, let alone one who could work miracles!
4.) No man can overcome the "beast". Nero was overthrown by the revolts of General Galba .
5.) Nero never issued, nor ordered to be issued, any "mark of the beast". To say his image on Roman coins was that mark is more-than-absurd & ridiculous!
6.) The Revelation plainly sez that the beast and false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus' return, but Nero DIED by having his secretary Epaphrodatus stab him. Galba's men, who'd come to arrest Nero, tried to save his life, but he died in fronta them.
Thus, while Nero was a pretty evil person, he was NOT the great antichrist "beast". The REAL "beast MUST fulfill EVERY prophecy about him EXACTLY, TO THE LETTER. Sorry, prets, you're gonna hafta find another candidate to be your beast!
prophecy70
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put on hold....I don't see that in that verse but nice try.
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
The Crowd’s Response
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’
Lets try this again, this was about pentecost. Peter was not talking about the end of the world, do you see it anywhere in context?
Ok if prophecy has to be literal,
a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.. so whats his name?
Joel 3
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will grow dark,
And the stars will diminish their brightness.
16 The Lord also will roar from Zion,
And utter His voice from Jerusalem;
The heavens and earth will shake;
But the Lord will be a shelter for His people,
And the strength of the children of Israel.
Thats not about the end of the world either. So is that literal as well?
Please show me where the 7 year tribulation is, the newly built temple is and the antichrist sitting it is in the bible.
Antichrist is a heresy. It is a heresy that affected Christians among the apostles' first century flocks, and was a sign of the final hour of the last days (1 John 2:18-19). The christians who were affected by this spirit "went out from" (i.e. "left") the apostolic congregations to chase the heresy and teach it to many others. These apostate Christians were called "many deceivers" in 2 John 1:7:
"For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 1:7)
"As you have heard that antichrist would come, even now there are MANY ANTICHRISTS, by which we know it is the last hour. They WENT OUT FROM US, but they were not OF us..."(1 John 2:18-19).
mythology has been built up over 2000 years on this idea of a Mr. Antichrist world ruler dude. No such thing exists anywhere in the bible, yet so many Christians buy into it hook, line, and sinker -- thanks to Hal Lindsey, J. Hagee, LaHaye, and other so-called "prophecy experts."
That is the most funny comment you could of made, because thats how futurism started as well then.
prophecy70
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I know, but these things are not important to salvation. Its just enjoyable, It would be better if actually could back stuff up instead of saying phony as ford corvette, it just shows ignorance instead of truly wanting to know what the bible says. But then again, I respect every ones view here and am glad we are all Part of Christ. Thats what truly matters here, not the end of the world, but where we spend eternity and I hope to see Robycop3 there and all of you.
Jesus literal prophecies:
For starters ...
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
John 4:13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.
John 4:13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.
For starters ...
Read Daniel 9:20-27 closely.
OK, so, when were the sun & moon obscured on that day? When and what were the wonders in the sky & signs in the earth? I believe V19 is the beginning of another prophecy about the day of Jesus' return, separate from the pentecost. Remember, Jesus said He'd send the Comforter( the Holy Spirit) after He was gone.
And Peter DID mention "the last days".
Do any of those names not fit Jesus?
Hasn't yet cometa pass.
2 Thess. 2, Rev. 13
Bo, you don't believe Daniel, Paul, Jesus' revelating angel, or Jesus Himself.? There are over 50 bible verses mentioning the 'beast', either directly or by clear implication.
The fact that the prophesied eschatological events have obviously not yet occurred is what started futurism.
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Will cometa pass at the rapture.
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The generation that sees these things begin will see them all.
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Again, preterism can be sustained ONLY by ***PROVING*** all the prophesied eschatological events have already occurred. No pret can do it, so they invent bunny trails & toss red herrings such as the ones above to try to distract people from that FACT.
There's a HUGE credibility gap between the pret pronouncements and history/reality. Thus, prets constantly try to invent new meanings for Scriptures whose truth destroys their doctrine. They simply cannot close the credibility gap otherwise.
If preterism were true, its believers should be able to:
Name the beast/antichrist & his deputy the false prophet
Point out when the great trib occurred, with all life in the seas being killed, all green grass burned up, and a world rain of rocks, among other things
Describe the marka the beast & tell us who issued it when
Point out when the AOD occurred
Tell us when the great cosmological disturbance occurred, immediately after the trib ended
And the full preterist should be able to point out when Jesus returned, being SEEN BY ALL, as He said.
It's because I know NO PRETERIST can do those things that I say that preterism is phony as a Ford Corvette!
There's a HUGE credibility gap between the pret pronouncements and history/reality. Thus, prets constantly try to invent new meanings for Scriptures whose truth destroys their doctrine. They simply cannot close the credibility gap otherwise.
If preterism were true, its believers should be able to:
Name the beast/antichrist & his deputy the false prophet
Point out when the great trib occurred, with all life in the seas being killed, all green grass burned up, and a world rain of rocks, among other things
Describe the marka the beast & tell us who issued it when
Point out when the AOD occurred
Tell us when the great cosmological disturbance occurred, immediately after the trib ended
And the full preterist should be able to point out when Jesus returned, being SEEN BY ALL, as He said.
It's because I know NO PRETERIST can do those things that I say that preterism is phony as a Ford Corvette!
prophecy70
Active Member
If you read war of the Jews Matthew 24 is completely explained. But you already stated you don't believe it. So there is nothing your closed mind will understand. And show me one more instant in Matthew where he talking about future generations. The whole book is about the current generation the generation of vipers. If you are literally looking for the sun to turn black and the moon to blood then I can't help you. Because obviously you don't understand Scripture at all. Peter's sermon was about Pentecost. He refuted the claim that they were all drunk. Saying that prophecy was fulfilled. If you can't even understand that then there is no point in continuation of this argument. Because obviously you are set in one view, I was there once as a futurisist. But as I matured in my understanding it all became clear. I don't need to have a fairy tail faith saying nothing happened yet and adding a 2000 year gap in Daniel to fit my belief. I would like another futurist to comment though who wants to understand Scripture to reply. One with a more serious disposition and who can explain things. And not just come up with childish refutes saying phony as a Ford Corvette. It makes you seem very simple minded in all of this.
prophecy70
Active Member
So robycop3, Quick question if everything is literal
Explain this verse.
Ecclesiastes 1:4
Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.
Explain this verse.
Ecclesiastes 1:4
Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.
You are not likely to get it because the very post in which you leveled all those complaints was done in the exact same manner you are omplaining about. Maybe newbies like yourself should develop relationships around here before you go around bashing people you do not know.
prophecy70
Active Member
I apologize, If i came about bashing him. I did not refute him in the same matter, I brought up facts and he didn't want to listen. and all i get in return is phony as a ford corvette. That right there just irks me how can you even start to have a normal debate? Thats the only reason I said he was simple minded, I come off to people how they came off to me, I was talking to someone else in the other post normally until he, came in all PRETERISM IS FALSE, FALSE AS A FORD CORVETTE ITS MY D-U-T-Y to tell the truth. I am new here If anyone would want to have an open debate about scripture I would be glad to have one, the first thing he told me was I had no common sense, because they things haven't happened yet or so he seemed. I didn't know him, I asked him a question and that was his response. So that started what I said. Anyone else I wouldn't of acted like that.
prophecy70
Active Member
If any moderator wants to delete this whole topic, I can start over, if I seemed to step on some of your toes, over Robycops comments.
Sure you did:
1. "So there is nothing your closed mind will understand."
2. "Because obviously you don't understand Scripture at all."
3. "If you can't even understand that then there is no point in continuation of this argument."
4. "I was there once as a futurisist. But as I matured in my understanding it all became clear."
5. " I don't need to have a fairy tail faith saying nothing happened yet
6. " One with a more serious disposition"
7. "you seem very simple minded"
Definition of literal - taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration, (of a translation) representing the exact words.
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
In the literal context, Jesus is referring to the temple he has just cleansed. Neither his disciples nor other witnesses understood his words until after his resurrection.Note that at his trial, witnesses testified:
Mar 14:58 - We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.
NOT a literal prophecy.
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John 4:13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again,14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
Jesus is literally talking about water, as the woman clearly understood with incredulity.15 The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water, that I may not thirst, nor come here to draw.”
He is actually speaking of the life giving Holy Spirit.NOT a literal prophecy.
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John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
Nothing to do with the supposed rapture - you seem to have a reading problem. Jesus said:
the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
Read on & you will see the rapture/resurrection is a separate occasion:
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
NOT a literal prophecy.
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Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.
Jesus is talking to his disciples explaining the significance or not of various forthcoming events, both natural & military. War, famine, earthquakes & diseases will occur, but should not trouble them - they are not prophetic signs - the end is not yet. Persecution will occur, but be faithful - endure to the end. What he means by the end is another question.
Specific events will occur prior to the destruction, & when they occur, it will be time to flee the city. Note that Jesus is talking to his disciples & advising "you." Translations consistently say "this generation" & in the many occurrences of that expression, Jesus is referring to the generation that rejected him.
Jesus is referring literally to this generation & many details of the Olivet prophecy are literal, & were fulfilled literally (as you have acknowledged.)
Further discussion of Jesus coming on the clouds is needed, & I would suggest that the prophecy is literal with parts in figurative language. That discussion will run on ....
There you've hit the nail on the point! The trouble is, when as you assert: "is discerned by our overview of ALL Scripture."
Does OC prophecy focus on the future of the nation of Israel, & renewed OC worship led by Messiah, in a future millennium, as those who claim "literal interpretation" assert
OR
Does OC prophecy centre on the Lord Jesus Christ, his redeeming work & the redeemed people of God of all nationalities as a holy nation who, when Jesus comes again will enjoy the NH&NE. Literal realities understood spiritually.
prophecy70
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I explained WHY I said that, because his first ever response to me was the fact that its COMMON SENSE, AND HOW PHONY it is. What kind of argument is that? How can you possibly debate something normally with someone doing that in every response, its irritating. A childish argument, gets a childish response. Sorry If that bothers you. Why don't you tell me your beliefs and see how we differ and see what a adult conversation can be.
prophecy70
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No, it's NOT.
it's just another set of bunny trails & red herrings.
There's only ONE thing that can sustain preterism - PROVING that the prophesied eschatological events have actually already occurred. All else is grasping st straws.
It's VERY OBVIOUS the events prophesied in Rev. 13, Rev. 16, etc. have NOT yet occurred, so the diehard preterist tries to reduce those Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status in the face of other Scriptural prophecies that have cometa pass EXACTLY AS WRITTEN. Jesus prophesied war, rumor of war, persecution of Christians, the destruction of J & the temple, the rebuilt J being trod underfoot by gentiles, etc - prophecies that cameta pass exactly as written. Thus, there's NO valid reason to believe the rest of His prophecies won't cometa pass just-as-literally and exactly.
Jesus said a tribulation is coming that will be the worst in history, and, if not cut short, NO flesh (man or animal) would survive. He also said that, IMMEDIATELY AFTER that trib, there'd be a great cosmological disturbance, during which He will return.
As for the "beast/antichrist/man of sin/that Wicked/son of perdition", he is mentioned in at least fifty verses of Scripture, so please, don't insult our intelligence by telling us he's "symbolic".
Again, if preterism were true, the preterist should be able to:
Name the beast and his deputy the false prophet
Describe the mark of the beast, tell us who issued it and when
Describe the "abomination of desolation", tell us who did it & what happened then
Tell us when all life in the seas died, and when all green grass was burned up
Tell us when it rained rocks worldwide
Name the two special witnesses
Tell us when Jerusalem was split into three pieces by an earthquake
And describe many other prophesied events.
The full preterist should be able to tell us when Jesus returned, seen by all, and what he did afterwards, including casting the beast & false prophet alive into the lake of fire.
Preterists, if you can't provide that intel, you're believing a false doctrine, simple as THAT!
prophecy70
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Ok before I can anwser we have to be clear on tis If you believe the "antichrist", the Biblical "man of Sin" and the Biblical "Beast" are one and the same individual, please provide as concise a scriptural analysis as you can to demonstrate this connection.
if they they are synonymous, I suggest that the best way to prove your case is to find paralell passages that speak of each character performing the same function or speaking of each character as synonymous participants in the same capacity at the same event.
Connect all 3 or connect any 2, but demonstrate this connection with scripture.
A reply that consists of "Well, it's commonly known that the beast is the antichrist", or "People have always called the man of sin "antichrist", or "Everybody knows that the beast and the man of sin are the same person", will be summarily dismissed as invalid.
Please post the "Scriptural connection" not the "traditional" one.
First we have to establish How literal you interpret verses.
Malachi 4:5
"See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Matthew 11
13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Was Malachi Literal?
Ecclesistes 1:4
Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.
The earth is around for how long?
"For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 1:7)
Who is the antichrist?
Ezekiel 38
38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords..
When was this fulfilled?
Compare THIS:
Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,
TO THIS:
Matthew 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
AND TO THIS:
Mark 13:14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
As I'm sure you agree, These three SYNONYMOUS , PARALLEL passages speak of the EXACT SAME EVENT.
ALL 3 speak of the Same WHEN YOU SEE, the Same DESOLATION, and the Same TIME to FLEE JERUSALEM.
Certainly you agree that Separating Luke 21 from Matthew 24 & Mark 13 is unscriptural, man made and not of apostolic in origin.
Parallel passages can NOT be interpreted to have POLAR OPPOSITE meanings from one another, Right?
Mark of the beast.
Your spewing out "literalism" in one breath, then proceed to Spin, stretch, speculate, and otherwise appeal to an interpretative philosophy that is anything BUT literal, I'll continue to point it out
Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place.
That not literal though?
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