Pastor Apologizes After Church Busybody Rebukes Nursing Mother

[atpollard]

Breastfeeding is not and never has been 'public nudity': it is our over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so. Sad that some Christians here have fallen for its lies

Here is a direct quote from the article in the OP ...

Marchant said she had gone to the children’s worship area to pick up her 4-year-old twins when her 1-year-old daughter “was getting fussy and asking to nurse.”

“I sat down on a bench and decided to nurse her like always,” Marchant said. “I don’t use a cover.”

Walls said church staff members told him that Marchant was wearing a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed.​

So a hypothetical breastfeeding mother has "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" yet you claim that it " is not and never has been 'public nudity'".

1. Please provide the Biblical definition of "nudity" that excludes "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed".
2. Please respond to the ignored request previously made that such nudity is not immodest (what I accused the woman of).
3. If you cannot, then please retract your false accusation against me as you were previously requested.
4. How is "public nudity" defined in your local criminal code if a woman with "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" is not considered guilty of public nudity? [That would meet the definition in this local jurisdiction.]
5. Provide support for your unsubstantiated claim that it is only our "over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so". [In Islamic countries, women are beaten by the police for not wearing head-coverings. I doubt they are worldly or western. Do you have evidence of widespread public breastfeeding in Japan?]
6. Cite evidence to support the claim that the Church is deriving its standards of modesty from the world and that is making the church too prudish.

Since you actually responded to none of the points in the last post, I expect the same from this post. So let me respond to your next "non-response" in advance ... You, sir, have made wild and untrue statements and false accusations that you then refuse to either defend or retract. You are a troll and unworthy of further response.

 

[Matt Black]

LOL. And here is Saint Matthew the Pure, virtue signaling in defiance of nature, credulity, intellectual honesty, and the testimony of Scripture, that he is not the least bit titillated (pun intended) at the sight of a hottie nursing a child. (Note: You ain't foolin' anyone, sinner.)

And he further asserts that it is quite within the realm of decorum in Christian worship that activities from which any 100% red blooded male should avert his eyes occur openly in the gathering of saints.

I'm not sure that this is appropriate venue to publicly confess sins of lust so I'd rather you stopped embarrassing yourself. If you have a problem with this issue, best bring it to the Lord or your pastor, or raise it in the Men's Forum where you can receive prayer.

 

[Matt Black]

Here is a direct quote from the article in the OP ...

Marchant said she had gone to the children’s worship area to pick up her 4-year-old twins when her 1-year-old daughter “was getting fussy and asking to nurse.”

“I sat down on a bench and decided to nurse her like always,” Marchant said. “I don’t use a cover.”

Walls said church staff members told him that Marchant was wearing a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed.​

So a hypothetical breastfeeding mother has "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" yet you claim that it " is not and never has been 'public nudity'".

1. Please provide the Biblical definition of "nudity" that excludes "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed".
2. Please respond to the ignored request previously made that such nudity is not immodest (what I accused the woman of).
3. If you cannot, then please retract your false accusation against me as you were previously requested.
4. How is "public nudity" defined in your local criminal code if a woman with "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" is not considered guilty of public nudity? [That would meet the definition in this local jurisdiction.]
5. Provide support for your unsubstantiated claim that it is only our "over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so". [In Islamic countries, women are beaten by the police for not wearing head-coverings. I doubt they are worldly or western. Do you have evidence of widespread public breastfeeding in Japan?]
6. Cite evidence to support the claim that the Church is deriving its standards of modesty from the world and that is making the church too prudish.

Since you actually responded to none of the points in the last post, I expect the same from this post. So let me respond to your next "non-response" in advance ... You, sir, have made wild and untrue statements and false accusations that you then refuse to either defend or retract. You are a troll and unworthy of further response.

I refer you to my earlier response that breastfeeding in and of itself is not immodest. I will grant you your.point that IF the mom had both breasts exposed then that was unnecessary (but I'd like to see some evidence as to the practicality of uncovering just the one in the given dress). Beyond that, you don't have an argument for the reasons stated. If certain men here have a problem with lust over breastfeeding then they need help to sort that out. We're not teenagers anymore!

 

[KJVOBible]

If it was merely all about breastfeeding the baby, then why was she exposing both breasts? .... YUP....

 

[Matt Black]

Here is a direct quote from the article in the OP ...

Marchant said she had gone to the children’s worship area to pick up her 4-year-old twins when her 1-year-old daughter “was getting fussy and asking to nurse.”

“I sat down on a bench and decided to nurse her like always,” Marchant said. “I don’t use a cover.”

Walls said church staff members told him that Marchant was wearing a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed.​

So a hypothetical breastfeeding mother has "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" yet you claim that it " is not and never has been 'public nudity'".

1. Please provide the Biblical definition of "nudity" that excludes "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed".
2. Please respond to the ignored request previously made that such nudity is not immodest (what I accused the woman of).
3. If you cannot, then please retract your false accusation against me as you were previously requested.
4. How is "public nudity" defined in your local criminal code if a woman with "a dress pulled down with both of her breasts exposed" is not considered guilty of public nudity? [That would meet the definition in this local jurisdiction.]
5. Provide support for your unsubstantiated claim that it is only our "over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so". [In Islamic countries, women are beaten by the police for not wearing head-coverings. I doubt they are worldly or western. Do you have evidence of widespread public breastfeeding in Japan?]
6. Cite evidence to support the claim that the Church is deriving its standards of modesty from the world and that is making the church too prudish.

Since you actually responded to none of the points in the last post, I expect the same from this post. So let me respond to your next "non-response" in advance ... You, sir, have made wild and untrue statements and false accusations that you then refuse to either defend or retract. You are a troll and unworthy of further response.

Dealing with your numbering though:

1. Please provide a Biblical definition that includes it in a breastfeeding context
2. Dealt with in my last post
3. Not a false allegation
4. Women in our criminal.code have an absolute right to expose their breasts (number irrelevant) if for the purpose of feeding their child.
5. Er...this thread. In particular Benjamin's testimony that it clearly isn't an issue in.some other cultures.
6. That is has become an issue in the Church

 

[Matt Black]

If it was merely all about breastfeeding the baby, then why was she exposing both breasts? .... YUP....

When my wife was nursing our children , she would frequently switch from.one to the other; some.kids and moms.do that

 

[Aaron]

I'm not sure that this is appropriate venue to publicly confess sins of lust so I'd rather you stopped embarrassing yourself. If you have a problem with this issue, best bring it to the Lord or your pastor, or raise it in the Men's Forum where you can receive prayer.

Oh my gosh! Dude (assuming your gender) give it up. Me an' Jesus don't buy it for one minute.

 

[Matt Black]

So maybe you think this is 'titillating':

Police officer who breastfed crying baby in a hospital is hailed a hero

Me, I just think it's great and a truly heartwarming tale: the officer surely deserves her promotion!

 

[Reynolds]

Dealing with your numbering though:

1. Please provide a Biblical definition that includes it in a breastfeeding context
2. Dealt with in my last post
3. Not a false allegation
4. Women in our criminal.code have an absolute right to expose their breasts (number irrelevant) if for the purpose of feeding their child.
5. Er...this thread. In particular Benjamin's testimony that it clearly isn't an issue in.some other cultures.
6. That is has become an issue in the Church

Why Scripture? You disregard the parts you don't like.

 

[Revmitchell]

Breastfeeding is not and never has been 'public nudity': it is our over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so. Sad that some Christians here have fallen for its lies

Sexuality has nothing to do with it. There are just parts of our bodies that we do not expose to the general public. It is immodest and uncouth. One shouldn't expose their breast, even if it is to feed a child, anymore than my daughter should where short shorts.

 

[Reynolds]

I refer you to my earlier response that breastfeeding in and of itself is not immodest. I will grant you your.point that IF the mom had both breasts exposed then that was unnecessary (but I'd like to see some evidence as to the practicality of uncovering just the one in the given dress). Beyond that, you don't have an argument for the reasons stated. If certain men here have a problem with lust over breastfeeding then they need help to sort that out. We're not teenagers anymore!

Hanging your boobs out for all the world to see is immodest.

 

[InTheLight]

If certain men here have a problem with lust over breastfeeding then they need help to sort that out. We're not teenagers anymore!

^ This ^

If a man gets turned on because a woman is breastfeeding a baby they need to examine themselves.

I presume every man in this thread knows what women's breasts look like. Am I right?

I'd guess the most vocal opponents of breastfeeding in public are probably some of the oldest men that post on BB.

I was at a baseball game a couple of months ago, had pretty good seats, twelve rows from the field behind the third base coaches area. There was a woman sitting next to me that had a baby and she was breastfeeding it several times during the game. My reaction was certainly not lust, more like mild anger. Who brings an infant to a baseball game? Especially in a seating area where line drive foul balls are a real possibility? I'm thinking I'll have to defend this woman against an errant foul ball (her husband was seated next to her but on the side further from home plate.) Possibly saving her from getting hit by a foul ball was my distraction, not the breastfeeding.


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[InTheLight]

That said, women should be discreet. If this woman, in church of all places, had both hanging out, that is inappropriate.

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[Use of Time]

For all of the talk of snowflakes I hear this has got to top the list. If I noticed a woman breast feeding I’d probably just look away and not worry about it again. Mostly because I’m not a drooling baboon with the hormones of a fourteen year old. It’s a non issue. If you have impure thoughts then maybe look in the mirror and take responsibility (never going to happen) instead of blaming a woman doing a perfectly natural thing. Sheesh...grow up.

 

[Reynolds]

^ This ^

If a man gets turned on because a woman is breastfeeding a baby they need to examine themselves.

I presume every man in this thread knows what women's breasts look like. Am I right?

I'd guess the most vocal opponents of breastfeeding in public are probably some of the oldest men that post on BB.

I was at a baseball game a couple of months ago, had pretty good seats, twelve rows from the field behind the third base coaches area. There was a woman sitting next to me that had a baby and she was breastfeeding it several times during the game. My reaction was certainly not lust, more like mild anger. Who brings an infant to a baseball game? Especially in a seating area where line drive foul balls are a real possibility? I'm thinking I'll have to defend this woman against an errant foul ball (her husband was seated next to her but on the side further from home plate.) Possibly saving her from getting hit by a foul ball was my distraction, not the breastfeeding.


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To me, its not lust. There is nothing attractive about a baby feeding. It is about common decency and manners. Why would someone have their boobs hanging out in church. The lady who chastised the breast feeding woman was correct. The pastor was spineless for apologizing to her.

 

[Use of Time]

To me, its not lust. There is nothing attractive about a baby feeding. It is about common decency and manners. Why would someone have their boobs hanging out in church. The lady who chastised the breast feeding woman was correct. The pastor was spineless for apologizing to her.

She’s not trying to be attractive. Mind your business. Control yourself.

 

[Reynolds]

I refer you to my earlier response that breastfeeding in and of itself is not immodest. I will grant you your.point that IF the mom had both breasts exposed then that was unnecessary (but I'd like to see some evidence as to the practicality of uncovering just the one in the given dress). Beyond that, you don't have an argument for the reasons stated. If certain men here have a problem with lust over breastfeeding then they need help to sort that out. We're not teenagers anymore!

Did teenage boys at the church see her boobs hanging out? Could teenage boys have seen her boobs hanging out?

 

[Reynolds]

She’s not trying to be attractive. Mind your business. Control yourself.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Salty]

Based on the request of a member - this discussion is being close - at least for now.