Pastor Joel Osteen

Like I said, thats a church split - someone leaving because they got miffed at someone else.

Its a far cry from what we call "Biblical separation".

 

So you'll not expose the false teching of Osteen? He is a preacher of "self-help theology," and "prosperity gospel." Osteen is WOF, and if you don't believe it, you'd better do some more research into what he teaches and believes.

Visualization comes from the Occult.

More from the Occult.

Click on the following link for many more quotes from false prophet Joel Osteen-teacher of Occult techniques.
http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac29.htm
http://cultlink.com/ar/osteen.htm
http://www.myfortress.org/JoelOsteen.html http://www.discernment.org/LeavenLakewood.htm


If I were you, I'd seriously reconsider your position on Joel Osteen. To quote a friend of mine(who is on this site under the moniker of Ransom) Scott McClare: "His theology is a mile wide and a millimeter deep."

 

Ummmm...I posted several quotes from the mouth of Osteen that prove he is Word of Faith. He is teaching Occult doctrine from his pulpit. If you don't think Osteen is WOF, you are sadly mistaken.

 

I probably line up more with Bible John in this discussion in the fact that Osteen is not my "cup of tea" in ministry style and sermon delivery/content, but he is definitely an evangelical who believes the essentials. But I have to say as a student of & considered by many to be a part of ... I have never heard Osteen linked to the Emergent movement. I think you are wrong in that assessment.

 

I'm not sure he believes the essentials. If you don't believe Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, or refuse to admit it, everything else is measured by the "Measuring Stone".

 

Webdog -- that little refusing (or the inability) to admit the source of our salvation thingy gives me great and heavy concern.

 

I would agree with you, if Osteen had taken the opportunity on National TV to make clear the only way of salvation. He did not do that and as others have stated, that gives me great concern.

I do agree tho that Osteen is not linked to the Emergent church in any way that I have seen.

 

I believe the Apostle Paul described Osteen the best:

2 Timothy 4:1-5

As to Osteen being an evangelical, I wonder how he fits that definition when his denial of the truth of the Gospel seems to contradict that term:

Evangelical

Joseph Botwinick

 

There is no evidence Osteen does not believe Jesus is the way to Heaven.
There is no evidence he does not believe the simple gospel (faith in Jesus Christ is the way to heaven).
As a matter of fact, the evidence is the opposite.

It never ceases to amaze me how quick we are to dismiss someone as evangelical because they did not say exactly what we want them to say on the Larry King show.

Agree or disagree with what he said or how he does ministry, but to write the guy off as something less than an evangelical is arrogant. We baptists love to draw parameters and decide who is in and who is out (as evidenced by the whole discussion regarding the IMB in SBC life). Joel Osteen believes in the authority of Scripture. He believes Jesus is the way to Heaven. He is an evangelical.

 

First off "Bible" John, I was referring to Osteen, not you.

Second, when you see the little box with the words "quote" inside them, and a response to that little box below it, it's a pretty good bet that the statement is in regards to that little box.

Third, your calling me a "devil" should be reason enough for me to think you should leave the BB and never come back, since you are so concerned what others think.

 

When presented with the question point blank, and you answer with an "I don't know", that's a pretty good indication of what the man believes.

 

This is a total misrepresentation of the dialogue.

And saying "I don't know" to certain questions regarding who is in and who is out is not a compromise. It is a humble recognition of one's own finiteness in comparison to the infinite knowledge and mercy of God.

I believe Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, yet for me to assume I have every soteriological question & answer worked out in my finite mind would be arrogant and foolish. There are many, many unanswerable questions regarding God's salvation. If you do not believe this to be the case, let's simply spend a few minutes in the OT and you can let me know who was in and who was out and upon what basis do we reach that conclusion.

I am not here to defend Joel Osteen. He is too Ken Doll for my taste. But neither do I write the guy off as less than an evangelical because he did not answer a question from Larry King like I prefer (especially when he later recognized this error and made it clear what he does believe).

 

If you can't even see the difference between "divided on doctrine" and "divided on diapers", do you think you should be running an education ministry?

 

I just got done reading the letter to the Church of Thyratira (Rev. 2:18-29). Jesus rebukes their "tolerance" of their acceptance of Jezebel. I believe this is us today as a Church; we tolerate way too much. We tolerate false doctrine, extra biblical doctrine, false prophets, and pastors like Osteen. I believe that if Joel Osteen really knew the answer to the question posed to him, and refused to answer because of his fear of tolerance, he's a sell out. If his "I don't know" answer was what you imply it could have been (him being finite understanding the infinite), he should have stated that plainly instead of giving the impression her really didn't know. At any rate, he had the opportunity in front of millions worldwide to give the Gospel message of "in Christ ONLY" and he failed to deliver. Whether he was looking out for his pocketbook, his reputation and Lakewood's status as having the most members, or whether he just doesn't really know, is anybody's guess. There is only one plan of salvation, and you don't have to be a Phd. in soteriology to know it, a child can understand it, so that is not an excuse to not tell the truth.

 

Perhaps you should also spend some time reading the actual exchange and Osteen's comments following the incident before you come on a public board accusing someone of selling out the gospel or being a liberal (i.e., less than an evangelical). It is clear you really do not know what he did and did not say.

Unless you are an advocate of the Calvinism=the gospel belief.