Pastor Joel Osteen

[bapmom]

Like I said, thats a church split - someone leaving because they got miffed at someone else.

Its a far cry from what we call "Biblical separation".

 

[IronWill]

I agree with you. But some here and some on the Internet call Osteen a S. terrorist. I love the man and never will bunch him in with WOF theology. However I will bunch him in with the Emergent movement. Joel Osteen will never be exposed on CERM as long as I am in charge.

So you'll not expose the false teching of Osteen? He is a preacher of "self-help theology," and "prosperity gospel." Osteen is WOF, and if you don't believe it, you'd better do some more research into what he teaches and believes.

“There’s power in what you visualize,” Osteen said in Nov.16,2004 sermon “take a few moments each day to visualize things you want in your life so God can bring them to pass He then tells a story about a coach and his team “Close your eyes and envision winning the game”, “they produced exactly what they saw.”

Visualization comes from the Occult.

“It’s the same way with us. We have to conceive it on the inside before we’re ever going to receive it on the outside. If you don’t think you can have something good, then you never will. The barrier is in your mind. It’s not God’s lack of resources or your lack of talent that prevents you from prospering. Your own wrong thinking can keep you from God’s best. ” You must conceive it in your heart and mind before you can receive it.” (from, Your Best Life Now, CHAPTER 1, “Enlarging Your Vision”)

“Many of you today know this, you believe it down here in your heart. But the reason that you're not experiencing as much as you should is because you're not declaring it. You've got to give life to your faith by speaking it out. Your words have creative power. When you go around saying, 'I have favor, people want to be good to me and supernatural doors are opening.' When you make those declarations of faith, you are charging the atmosphere. And your own words can help to bring it to pass. That is why we should get into the habit of every day consistently speaking God's favor over our lives” (Joel Osteen, “Experiencing More Of God's Favor,” Tape # 212, Daystar, July 10, 2004)

More from the Occult.

“You can cancel out God's plan by speaking negative words. God works by laws” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

“Joel, that sounds like wishful thinking. No, that's using your words to create what you need” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

“Why did God take away the voice of Zacharias (Luke 1:11-20)? Because God knew his [Zacharias] negative words would cancel out His [God] plan.” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

“You may have sickness in your body, you need to call in health. You may be in debt, you need to boldly say that you are the head and not the tail” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

Click on the following link for many more quotes from false prophet Joel Osteen-teacher of Occult techniques.
http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac29.htm
http://cultlink.com/ar/osteen.htm
http://www.myfortress.org/JoelOsteen.html http://www.discernment.org/LeavenLakewood.htm


If I were you, I'd seriously reconsider your position on Joel Osteen. To quote a friend of mine(who is on this site under the moniker of Ransom) Scott McClare: "His theology is a mile wide and a millimeter deep."

 

[Bible John]

Yes as I said he is a leader in the Emergent movement, but that does not make him unsaved.

CERM will soon be writing a article on the Emergent movement. But I would not bunch WOF in with the Emergent movement. Warran is a Emergent leader, but is not WOF. Same as Osteen.

For the moment why dont you do some research?

Take a look at these

WOF
http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/word_of_faith.htm
http://www.cerm.info/images/wordoffaith.jpg
http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Apologetics/WordofFaith.htm

Emergent Movement
http://members.tripod.com/carla_b/emergentmovement/
http://www.cerm.info/images/emerging.jpg

So you'll not expose the false teching of Osteen? He is a preacher of "self-help theology," and "prosperity gospel." Osteen is WOF, and if you don't believe it, you'd better do some more research into what he teaches and believes.

Visualization comes from the Occult.

More from the Occult.




Click on the following link for many more quotes from false prophet Joel Osteen-teacher of Occult techniques.
http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac29.htm
http://cultlink.com/ar/osteen.htm
http://www.myfortress.org/JoelOsteen.html http://www.discernment.org/LeavenLakewood.htm


If I were you, I'd seriously reconsider your position on Joel Osteen. To quote a friend of mine(who is on this site under the moniker of Ransom) Scott McClare: "His theology is a mile wide and a millimeter deep."

 

[IronWill]

Yes as I said he is a leader in the Emergent movement, but that does not make him unsaved.

CERM will soon be writing a article on the Emergent movement. But I would not bunch WOF in with the Emergent movement. Warran is a Emergent leader, but is not WOF. Same as Osteen.

For the moment why dont you do some research?

Take a look at these

WOF
http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/word_of_faith.htm
http://www.cerm.info/images/wordoffaith.jpg
http://www.cerm.info/bible_studies/Apologetics/WordofFaith.htm

Emergent Movement
http://members.tripod.com/carla_b/emergentmovement/
http://www.cerm.info/images/emerging.jpg

Ummmm...I posted several quotes from the mouth of Osteen that prove he is Word of Faith. He is teaching Occult doctrine from his pulpit. If you don't think Osteen is WOF, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[All about Grace]

I probably line up more with Bible John in this discussion in the fact that Osteen is not my "cup of tea" in ministry style and sermon delivery/content, but he is definitely an evangelical who believes the essentials. But I have to say as a student of & considered by many to be a part of ... I have never heard Osteen linked to the Emergent movement. I think you are wrong in that assessment.

 

[webdog]

I probably line up more with Bible John in this discussion in the fact that Osteen is not my "cup of tea" in ministry style and sermon delivery/content, but he is definitely an evangelical who believes the essentials.

I'm not sure he believes the essentials. If you don't believe Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, or refuse to admit it, everything else is measured by the "Measuring Stone".

 

[mcdirector]

Webdog -- that little refusing (or the inability) to admit the source of our salvation thingy gives me great and heavy concern.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

I probably line up more with Bible John in this discussion in the fact that Osteen is not my "cup of tea" in ministry style and sermon delivery/content, but he is definitely an evangelical who believes the essentials. But I have to say as a student of & considered by many to be a part of ... I have never heard Osteen linked to the Emergent movement. I think you are wrong in that assessment.

I would agree with you, if Osteen had taken the opportunity on National TV to make clear the only way of salvation. He did not do that and as others have stated, that gives me great concern.

I do agree tho that Osteen is not linked to the Emergent church in any way that I have seen.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I believe the Apostle Paul described Osteen the best:

1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

2 Timothy 4:1-5

As to Osteen being an evangelical, I wonder how he fits that definition when his denial of the truth of the Gospel seems to contradict that term:

"Evangelical", in its original sense, means "belonging or related to the Gospel'" (Greek: euangelion).

Evangelical

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Bible John]

Quotes are often taken out of context.

For example Osteen was blabbing once about self esteem. When I called Hanegraaf he played a clip from a Osteen sermon that I remember where he was talking about our Thought life. Hanagraaf used that clip to somehow prove to me that Osteen was WOF.

But if you watched the tape in full you will see that Osteen was juist saying that thinking positive will often help us. He used the example of Fast Food workers and said that if you saw yourself as a negative, weak defeated person who only could work in a dog job like FF, then thats your destiny. On the other hand, if you see yourself as beign more than a FF worker, then you will do more.

What is wrong with this and how is this WOF?

Is it not true that people with low self esteem and people that think of themselves as dogs, often work in just jobs (depending on where they live at)?


John

Ummmm...I posted several quotes from the mouth of Osteen that prove he is Word of Faith. He is teaching Occult doctrine from his pulpit. If you don't think Osteen is WOF, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Bible John]

Hank Hanagraaf linked him once to that movement on the radio.

I probably line up more with Bible John in this discussion in the fact that Osteen is not my "cup of tea" in ministry style and sermon delivery/content, but he is definitely an evangelical who believes the essentials. But I have to say as a student of & considered by many to be a part of ... I have never heard Osteen linked to the Emergent movement. I think you are wrong in that assessment.

 

[Bible John]

I'm not sure he believes the essentials. If you don't believe Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, or refuse to admit it, everything else is measured by the "Measuring Stone".

Of coarse I believe this. Why would you doubt that? Is it because I do not believe Osteen is a complete devil like you?

Yes I do have 1 Osteen audio tape, CD and 2 VHS tapes. Does this make me a devil?

 

[Bible John]

Hanagraaf once linked him to that movement.

Regarding Osteen. He has on several occassions admitted christ publicly.

Since I lack a video capture card I cnat post the videos, but I will search my 2 VHDS tapes sometime for sucha statement. I can then copy the audio with my Palm Pilot (its not a line in feed).

I will post it on my website when I find the clip.

I would agree with you, if Osteen had taken the opportunity on National TV to make clear the only way of salvation. He did not do that and as others have stated, that gives me great concern.

I do agree tho that Osteen is not linked to the Emergent church in any way that I have seen.

 

[All about Grace]

There is no evidence Osteen does not believe Jesus is the way to Heaven.
There is no evidence he does not believe the simple gospel (faith in Jesus Christ is the way to heaven).
As a matter of fact, the evidence is the opposite.

It never ceases to amaze me how quick we are to dismiss someone as evangelical because they did not say exactly what we want them to say on the Larry King show.

Agree or disagree with what he said or how he does ministry, but to write the guy off as something less than an evangelical is arrogant. We baptists love to draw parameters and decide who is in and who is out (as evidenced by the whole discussion regarding the IMB in SBC life). Joel Osteen believes in the authority of Scripture. He believes Jesus is the way to Heaven. He is an evangelical.

 

[webdog]

Of coarse I believe this. Why would you doubt that? Is it because I do not believe Osteen is a complete devil like you?

Yes I do have 1 Osteen audio tape, CD and 2 VHS tapes. Does this make me a devil?

First off "Bible" John, I was referring to Osteen, not you.

Second, when you see the little box with the words "quote" inside them, and a response to that little box below it, it's a pretty good bet that the statement is in regards to that little box.

Third, your calling me a "devil" should be reason enough for me to think you should leave the BB and never come back, since you are so concerned what others think.

 

[webdog]

There is no evidence Osteen does not believe Jesus is the way to Heaven.

When presented with the question point blank, and you answer with an "I don't know", that's a pretty good indication of what the man believes.

 

[All about Grace]

When presented with the question point blank, and you answer with an "I don't know", that's a pretty good indication of what the man believes.

This is a total misrepresentation of the dialogue.

And saying "I don't know" to certain questions regarding who is in and who is out is not a compromise. It is a humble recognition of one's own finiteness in comparison to the infinite knowledge and mercy of God.

I believe Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, yet for me to assume I have every soteriological question & answer worked out in my finite mind would be arrogant and foolish. There are many, many unanswerable questions regarding God's salvation. If you do not believe this to be the case, let's simply spend a few minutes in the OT and you can let me know who was in and who was out and upon what basis do we reach that conclusion.

I am not here to defend Joel Osteen. He is too Ken Doll for my taste. But neither do I write the guy off as less than an evangelical because he did not answer a question from Larry King like I prefer (especially when he later recognized this error and made it clear what he does believe).

 

[Blammo]

My friend told me of a church that seperated over something like this. The Outhouse was a huge problem and so the church split.

Nevertheless I am willing to bet you money that some church out there at soemtime has split over the color of the diapers used in the nursery.


John

If you can't even see the difference between "divided on doctrine" and "divided on diapers", do you think you should be running an education ministry?

 

[webdog]

This is a total misrepresentation of the dialogue.

And saying "I don't know" to certain questions regarding who is in and who is out is not a compromise. It is a humble recognition of one's own finiteness in comparison to the infinite knowledge and mercy of God.

I believe Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, yet for me to assume I have every soteriological question & answer worked out in my finite mind would be arrogant and foolish. There are many, many unanswerable questions regarding God's salvation. If you do not believe this to be the case, let's simply spend a few minutes in the OT and you can let me know who was in and who was out and upon what basis do we reach that conclusion.

I am not here to defend Joel Osteen. He is too Ken Doll for my taste. But neither do I write the guy off as less than an evangelical because he did not answer a question from Larry King like I prefer (especially when he later recognized this error and made it clear what he does believe).

I just got done reading the letter to the Church of Thyratira (Rev. 2:18-29). Jesus rebukes their "tolerance" of their acceptance of Jezebel. I believe this is us today as a Church; we tolerate way too much. We tolerate false doctrine, extra biblical doctrine, false prophets, and pastors like Osteen. I believe that if Joel Osteen really knew the answer to the question posed to him, and refused to answer because of his fear of tolerance, he's a sell out. If his "I don't know" answer was what you imply it could have been (him being finite understanding the infinite), he should have stated that plainly instead of giving the impression her really didn't know. At any rate, he had the opportunity in front of millions worldwide to give the Gospel message of "in Christ ONLY" and he failed to deliver. Whether he was looking out for his pocketbook, his reputation and Lakewood's status as having the most members, or whether he just doesn't really know, is anybody's guess. There is only one plan of salvation, and you don't have to be a Phd. in soteriology to know it, a child can understand it, so that is not an excuse to not tell the truth.

 

[All about Grace]

I just got done reading the letter to the Church of Thyratira (Rev. 2:18-29). Jesus rebukes their "tolerance" of their acceptance of Jezebel. I believe this is us today as a Church; we tolerate way too much. We tolerate false doctrine, extra biblical doctrine, false prophets, and pastors like Osteen. I believe that if Joel Osteen really knew the answer to the question posed to him, and refused to answer because of his fear of tolerance, he's a sell out. If his "I don't know" answer was what you imply it could have been (him being finite understanding the infinite), he should have stated that plainly instead of giving the impression her really didn't know. At any rate, he had the opportunity in front of millions worldwide to give the Gospel message of "in Christ ONLY" and he failed to deliver. Whether he was looking out for his pocketbook, his reputation and Lakewood's status as having the most members, or whether he just doesn't really know, is anybody's guess. There is only one plan of salvation, and you don't have to be a Phd. in soteriology to know it, a child can understand it, so that is not an excuse to not tell the truth.

Perhaps you should also spend some time reading the actual exchange and Osteen's comments following the incident before you come on a public board accusing someone of selling out the gospel or being a liberal (i.e., less than an evangelical). It is clear you really do not know what he did and did not say.

There is only one plan of salvation, and you don't have to be a Phd. in soteriology to know it, a child can understand it, so that is not an excuse to not tell the truth.

Unless you are an advocate of the Calvinism=the gospel belief.