Pastor Joel Osteen

Like this?

(after King questions him about whether someone who doesn't share in the view of Christ alone for salvation is wrong)
Osteen: "Well, yes. Well, I don't know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I'm just going to let God be the judge of that. I don't know. I don't know."

I also do have his response to the criticism he received from his website, so I'm not accusing him blindly as you suggest. His response, while sincere may have also been part of his psycho-theology word of faith garbage.

You can't be serious! Have you read any of my posts in regards to calvinism? I'm not a calvinist.

BTW, doesn't Paul mention about preaching the "whole council of God"? Does Osteen do this with his "you have to release your faith so God can work" God-puppeteering garbage?

 

And again there is nothing here to suggest Osteen is not an evangelical.

And once again you may disagree with his style and content, but that does not make him any less evangelical.

The Calvinism remark was made in sarcasm and not directed to anyone. I actually am reformed-minded but get a chuckle out of those who teach Calvinism = the gospel. (I just couldn't find the sarcastic icon with the quick reply).

I'm done with Osteen. I have no reason to defend him. Again my purpose was simply to point out there is nothing Osteen has said or any indication that his beliefs make him anything less than an evangelical (not my particular stripe - but an evangelical nonetheless).

 

raise: And we all offer a hearty AMEN raise:

That is the best line in the entire thread :saint:

 

If he denies the Word of God, then he is not an evangelical. Denying that Jesus is the only way to the Father is denying the Word of God. Joel Osteen has done this publicly. He is not an evangelical.

Joseph Botwinick

 

This is why you always consider the source ...

 

I've listened to Osteen a lot and also have his book. He is more New Thought in he way he sounds but I've heard WOF stuff, too. I did hear a whole message one day where he taught that what you think can make it happen. The 2 examples given were someone afraid their plant would die, even though they watered it, and a man who was afraid of losing his healthy, relatively young wife. He had no reason to fear but was anxious about it. Finally, she died. Osteen used this to illustrate his message that our thoughts can affect reality. This is directly from New Thought (which is also found in WOF) but goes back further to occult thinking, as IronWill pointed out. Thinking about what you want, visualizing it, and affirming it is part of a process used in sorcery and the New Age. One ceremonial magician, Donald Tyson, writes in his book that "visualization is the heart of magick." This is not visualization as in just imagining things or thinking about what color your kitchen wall should be. This is a technique to visualize so that you can bring it into reality.

Osteen says in his book that you have to say God's blessings out loud or you don't get them. This is more occult/New Thought/WOF beliefs.

On Easter of '05, I heard Osteen say the Jesus went to hell to fight Satan. This is a WOF doctrine.

Osteen may sound evangelical, but is his Jesus the Jesus of the Bible? That is what we should be wondering and asking and investigating. He's very polished and it's hard to hear these aberrant teachings, but they're there.

BTW, Osteen is going to be on Nightline tonight.

 

Bulls-eye Marcia!

 

When you stand in the pulpit on national tv and say that "Satan, Sin, and Hell are no longer on the menue at this church. From now on we are only going to talk about the goodness of God".

You at that moment quit being a evangelical if at no other time. You cannot win someone to the Lord without those elements.

 

I've been the debate here, and just had to stop here, and say a hearty AMEN, to you Ironwill.

Preach It!

 

Isn't that part of the issue though -- We have to be on constant guard to not be deceived. We have to measure what comes out of a preacher's mouth by what the scripture says. We have to measure his actions by that same scripture. It is our plume line, and IMHsteen isn't measuring up.

 

If they aren't friendly, I don't think they are a good example of being Christians. We need both truth and love.

I saw Osteen on Nightline, too. It was a fluff piece and only lasted about 15 min. They interviewed 2 other preachers in rural areas who do not agree with Osteen's message because it leaves out sin. At least the show did that, but the reporter seemed impressed and taken in by Osteen.

They left out the fact that although Joel Osteen's father, John Osteen, had So. Baptist roots, he did become a WOF teacher. Nightline did not even mention WOF. Fruits are also teachings, so no matter how charming Joel Osteen is or what he does in works, the core of his teachings are unbiblical.

 

Quotes from Joel Osteen:
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“There’s power in what you visualize,” Osteen said in Nov.16,2004 sermon “take a few moments each day to visualize things you want in your life so God can bring them to pass He then tells a story about a coach and his team “Close your eyes and envision winning the game”, “they produced exactly what they saw.”
Visualization comes from the Occult.
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“It’s the same way with us. We have to conceive it on the inside before we’re ever going to receive it on the outside. If you don’t think you can have something good, then you never will. The barrier is in your mind. It’s not God’s lack of resources or your lack of talent that prevents you from prospering. Your own wrong thinking can keep you from God’s best. ” You must conceive it in your heart and mind before you can receive it.” (from, Your Best Life Now, CHAPTER 1, “Enlarging Your Vision”)

Quote:
“Many of you today know this, you believe it down here in your heart. But the reason that you're not experiencing as much as you should is because you're not declaring it. You've got to give life to your faith by speaking it out. Your words have creative power. When you go around saying, 'I have favor, people want to be good to me and supernatural doors are opening.' When you make those declarations of faith, you are charging the atmosphere. And your own words can help to bring it to pass. That is why we should get into the habit of every day consistently speaking God's favor over our lives” (Joel Osteen, “Experiencing More Of God's Favor,” Tape # 212, Daystar, July 10, 2004)
More from the Occult.
Quote:
“You can cancel out God's plan by speaking negative words. God works by laws” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

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“Joel, that sounds like wishful thinking. No, that's using your words to create what you need” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

Quote:
“Why did God take away the voice of Zacharias (Luke 1:11-20)? Because God knew his [Zacharias] negative words would cancel out His [God] plan.” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

Quote:
“You may have sickness in your body, you need to call in health. You may be in debt, you need to boldly say that you are the head and not the tail” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

 

Wow, John, if you are obssed with defending error, then no wonder no one wants you at their church!

 

http://www.wacriswell.org/Search/videotrans.cfm/sermon/112.cfm


Criswell talks about this very thing.

 

Now you want an audio tape? Read the book where these quotes are from (and not taken out of context, btw)

Osteen is not even in the same class as Warren. This is comparing apples to oranges.