Pastor's advice on Calvinism

[Winman]

Yes and he never mentioned it or read if I bet. I think I will just focus on the essentials of the faith.

If you continue in that church, you are just going to have to keep your views to yourself. I don't think you will be happy like that, you should go to that Reformed church.

And here is something I made just for you, hope you like it.



I love the look that guy is giving you.

I think it is great you preach on the street, takes LOTS of courage, keep up the good work!

 

[go2church]

I think even WinMan has more sense than you! I am not afraid of Armianism as you do Calvinism. A old pastor of mine from the past welcomed diversity in the church and was not afraid of opposing views. Yes he allowed Arminian in the church.

You are some piece of work. I welcome diversity. Your Calvinism isn't my issue. Your decisive attitude and methods are the problem. If you can't cool it, you're out

 

[Yeshua1]

I am what I am. I just won't mention it by name, but in reality the scripture is quite clear on what the Bible teaches and I won't reject the Bible.

al

My Pastor has 2 Doctorates, one in NT Theology/John, and Church leadership, and is an Evangelical non call , and yet we have Elders who are cal/arm/non, and many in the church fall into each group...

Key is to realise that this is NOT a dividing issue, and leadership needs to make sure all views are respected, and that we can learn and mature each other with those different views!

As NO church will have perfect doctrine/theology, for we ALL waiting for that time when we have perfect knowledge, when Jesus comes back!

 

[evangelist6589]

al



My Pastor has 2 Doctorates, one in NT Theology/John, and Church leadership, and is an Evangelical non call , and yet we have Elders who are cal/arm/non, and many in the church fall into each group...



Key is to realise that this is NOT a dividing issue, and leadership needs to make sure all views are respected, and that we can learn and mature each other with those different views!



As NO church will have perfect doctrine/theology, for we ALL waiting for that time when we have perfect knowledge, when Jesus comes back!

The pastor agrees that others needs to respect my views as well.

 

[evangelist6589]

If you continue in that church, you are just going to have to keep your views to yourself. I don't think you will be happy like that, you should go to that Reformed church.

And here is something I made just for you, hope you like it.



I love the look that guy is giving you.

I think it is great you preach on the street, takes LOTS of courage, keep up the good work!

That was 4 years ago when I was overweight. I am a much better open air preacher these days.

 

[ShagNappy]

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

 

[Winman]

That was 4 years ago when I was overweight. I am a much better open air preacher these days.

I am not poking fun at you per se, although I love the look that guy is giving you, and that is funny, but I sincerely think it is great you preach on the street. Your hair is very nice!

Now, that said, we've got to work on your message, that Reformed stuff is not scriptural.

If you really told folks the Reformed view, you would have to tell folks that Jesus MIGHT love you, and that Jesus MIGHT want to save you, and that Jesus MIGHT have died for you, but there is a far higher probability that Jesus hates you, and never chose you, and is going to pass you by and let you burn in hell.

Is that "Good News" John??

 

[Winman]

That was 4 years ago when I was overweight. I am a much better open air preacher these days.

You have lost weight, and you have improved at preaching, people are beginning to stop and listen.



You must be eating different food now.

 

[padredurand]

You must be eating different food now.

I understand there is little nutritional value in crow. :flower:

 

[Winman]

I understand there is little nutritional value in crow. :flower:

That's completely possible.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The "few" is just the tip of the iceberg. If you had a talk from the pastor, that means you're being seen to cause trouble.

I warned you not to marry until you were agreed. You rejected that advice. Now you're "forced" to attend a church with which you do not agree. (You're not, really forced.)

I warned you that Calvinists and noncalvinists, loving as they may be, cannot work together. You've rejected that advice. Now you're being seen as a trouble-maker.

Maybe you'll listen to this advice. Peaceably leave the church. The marital issues that ensue will have to be something you deal with (which you wouldn't have had to if you'd heeded my advice the first time). Trust me. This is to be preferred to being asked to leave the church. No one will see it that you've been persecuted for the sake of the Gospel. It will be seen that you have been a troublemaker. Stories will go round in the gossip that are either false, or at best mischaracterized, and you will not be able to fight it.

That bears repeating. You . . . will . . . NOT . . . prevail.

Leave peaceably, and it will be said you couldn't stay because of doctrinal differences and you will be thought wiser for the action.

Totally agree...well said:thumbs:

but EVAN be of good cheer about your faith

In Matthew

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Met with a pastor yesterday after service and he gave me some advice. First the church's position on the issue (which I already knew) and second although they do not attack Calvinists and accepted me as a member I should not mention it in conversation, or SS open discussion (as SS in our church is discussion based and not lecture oriented). Perhaps some have left the church because of me (he did not say) but I have noticed our SS class is not as big as before for whatever reason. He just gave me advice and I have a better idea.

I won't mention Calvinism or Reformed theology by name, I will just discuss its doctrines when appropriate and the various scriptures in its defense. In reality I am not preaching Calvinism I am preaching the Bible and if people reject it they reject the Bible. However as Mitchell said once if thats all I talk about I am a "Cage-Calvinist" which is a label to avoid. A model example would be WOTM. If WOTM holds to Calvinist theology (not sure) Comfort does a great job of not using it to cause division. While I admire brother Paul Washer (do not agree with everything he says) perhaps he may be causing division in the church because of his strong Calvinist views when division is not glorifying Christ. I don't know.

Looking for ideas as maybe 1/100 persons in this church or any Arminian church will actually take the time to read a book or hear a podcast and look up the many verses in defense of Reformed theology as most will reject it without question. I do not treat Arminian theology this way and personally read and own Chosen But Free. I can't be something I am not and I must stand for the truth in gentleness and respect. At the moment I am locked at the church and was forced into attending there or else I would be at a Calvinist church. So I need to make the best of where I am at.

Long and short of it, is, as have been said, you're rabblerousing for something that's got no bearing at all to the eternal destiny of ANY soul, man.
Leave them be.

 

[Don]

Wow. Just, wow.

I have Evangelist on ignore; but I've been seeing snippets of what he's saying thanks to those quoting him. So let me say it again: Wow.

Can any of you point to any of the dozens of threads that this guy has started, and actually say he listened to any advice anyone has given him -- unless it agreed with his viewpoint?

The people posting in this thread are pretty much 100% in agreement about what he should do now (note that: all the calvinists and all the arminians and all the others are in 100% agreement! This will probably NEVER happen again!); yet what has his continual response been? He can't leave; he learned his lesson so he won't make the same mistake again; he won't use the word "reformed" but he'll continue teaching reformed theology. Note especially that he said he knows better than his pastor.

Evangelist is a street preacher who has never discipled any of the people he's led to the Lord. A pastor is a man who has taken on a calling to be the under-shepherd of the flock 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Evangelist probably hasn't even been in half the congregation's houses; not only has the pastor been in their houses, but he's visited them in the hospital, comforted them during trials and tribulations, and preached at their funerals. But Evangelist knows better than the pastor.

ShagNappy and go2church nailed it: doesn't matter one's physical age when you're talking about maturity. And Evangelist's lack of maturity points to a mental incapacity that can only be explained by mental illness, a condition similar to Sheldon Cooper on "Big Bang Theory," or a troll crafting messages to see what responses they receive.

If Evangelist is on the up-and-up, he will never abide by your advice unless it agrees with what he wants to do. I advise you all: Exercise some spiritual discernment about this guy, and shake the dust off and move on.

I know it sounds harsh; but that's why I have him on ignore.

Okay, back to avoiding his threads.

 

[SolaSaint]

Evan we probably agree theologically but. I'm in a SBC church that has a mix of views but mostly Arminian. I teach class and even teach on Wednesday nights to the entire congregation. I don't hold back my theology because as you say it is scriptural no matter what others say in here. However I never use the words Calvin or Reformed. Why do you? I just say, "God's word says" and go from there. If you disagree with something in SS class because it is unscriptural then it should be fairly easy to correct by using scripture. :thumbs:

 

[HungryInherit]

Wow. Just, wow.

I have Evangelist on ignore; but I've been seeing snippets of what he's saying thanks to those quoting him. So let me say it again: Wow.

Can any of you point to any of the dozens of threads that this guy has started, and actually say he listened to any advice anyone has given him -- unless it agreed with his viewpoint?

The people posting in this thread are pretty much 100% in agreement about what he should do now (note that: all the calvinists and all the arminians and all the others are in 100% agreement! This will probably NEVER happen again!); yet what has his continual response been? He can't leave; he learned his lesson so he won't make the same mistake again; he won't use the word "reformed" but he'll continue teaching reformed theology. Note especially that he said he knows better than his pastor.

Evangelist is a street preacher who has never discipled any of the people he's led to the Lord. A pastor is a man who has taken on a calling to be the under-shepherd of the flock 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Evangelist probably hasn't even been in half the congregation's houses; not only has the pastor been in their houses, but he's visited them in the hospital, comforted them during trials and tribulations, and preached at their funerals. But Evangelist knows better than the pastor.

ShagNappy and go2church nailed it: doesn't matter one's physical age when you're talking about maturity. And Evangelist's lack of maturity points to a mental incapacity that can only be explained by mental illness, a condition similar to Sheldon Cooper on "Big Bang Theory," or a troll crafting messages to see what responses they receive.

If Evangelist is on the up-and-up, he will never abide by your advice unless it agrees with what he wants to do. I advise you all: Exercise some spiritual discernment about this guy, and shake the dust off and move on.

I know it sounds harsh; but that's why I have him on ignore.

Okay, back to avoiding his threads.

Pretty much nailed. It is painfully obvious that he is mentally ill. Its just sad watching this unfold. He's sharing all of this so when he is asked to leave the church he can be a martyr and head down the road to the other church. Lord have mercy on your wife.

 

[Rippon]

It is painfully obvious that he is mentally ill.

You didn't need to go there. If you really had pity on him you wouldn't give him that kind of slam.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You didn't need to go there. If you really had pity on him you wouldn't give him that kind of slam.

Coooooorect :thumbsup:

 

[Yeshua1]

Evan we probably agree theologically but. I'm in a SBC church that has a mix of views but mostly Arminian. I teach class and even teach on Wednesday nights to the entire congregation. I don't hold back my theology because as you say it is scriptural no matter what others say in here. However I never use the words Calvin or Reformed. Why do you? I just say, "God's word says" and go from there. If you disagree with something in SS class because it is unscriptural then it should be fairly easy to correct by using scripture. :thumbs:

I usually will fget to those "problem passages", and state that this is how the main views have been over the years, use the scriptures references, and state this is what I think it means and why!

 

[webdog]

I am what I am. I just won't mention it by name, but in reality the scripture is quite clear on what the Bible teaches and I won't reject the Bible.

Translation = I hold to immutable truth and cannot be wrong.

I sense a great deal of pride in your posts. Pride comes before a fall...keep you feet firmly planted! While I don't agree with your pastor's censorship as I think Scripture should be approached from the historical differing views throughout time, as long as you are in that church (don't buy the "forced" part), you are to respect his wishes...or leave.

 

[webdog]

You whine about Calvinists almost as much as Winman.

...and you whine about anything non cal about as much as anyone on this board.