Pastor's advice on Calvinism

[convicted1]

...and you whine about anything non cal about as much as anyone on this board.

You guys are baptists and shouldn't whine, that's a sin....oh wait...that's wine..carry on...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

By the way folks this is just another example of Calvinists who sneak into churches with the goal of making it a Calvinist church. And it is evil.

No it isn't. This guy told everyone in the place that he is a Calvinist, including his wife & this schmuck of a pastor. This is more of an example of trying to change Evan more than anything else..... I can hear the conversations now....."oh he will adapt, he will adjust".....when what they really mean is he will convert. Well folks here is a guy who wont convert, he wont compromise his beliefs ....and he should not have to. The only thing he has to do now is blow that place off & go to the Calvinistic church he wants to go to......DO IT EVAN, DO IT!!!!

 

[abcgrad94]

Evangelist's lack of maturity points to a mental incapacity that can only be explained by mental illness, a condition similar to Sheldon Cooper on "Big Bang Theory," or a troll crafting messages to see what responses they receive.

If Evangelist is on the up-and-up, he will never abide by your advice unless it agrees with what he wants to do. I advise you all: Exercise some spiritual discernment about this guy, and shake the dust off and move on.

I concur. Something is very wrong here, and the whole thread makes me sad.

 

[quantumfaith]

Translation = I hold to immutable truth and cannot be wrong.

I sense a great deal of pride in your posts. Pride comes before a fall...keep you feet firmly planted! While I don't agree with your pastor's censorship as I think Scripture should be approached from the historical differing views throughout time, as long as you are in that church (don't buy the "forced" part), you are to respect his wishes...or leave.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[evangelist6589]

Evan we probably agree theologically but. I'm in a SBC church that has a mix of views but mostly Arminian. I teach class and even teach on Wednesday nights to the entire congregation. I don't hold back my theology because as you say it is scriptural no matter what others say in here. However I never use the words Calvin or Reformed. Why do you? I just say, "God's word says" and go from there. If you disagree with something in SS class because it is unscriptural then it should be fairly easy to correct by using scripture. :thumbs:

I have done that but one guy takes issue because of the Reformed POV.

 

[evangelist6589]

Wow. Just, wow.

I have Evangelist on ignore; but I've been seeing snippets of what he's saying thanks to those quoting him. So let me say it again: Wow.

Can any of you point to any of the dozens of threads that this guy has started, and actually say he listened to any advice anyone has given him -- unless it agreed with his viewpoint?

The people posting in this thread are pretty much 100% in agreement about what he should do now (note that: all the calvinists and all the arminians and all the others are in 100% agreement! This will probably NEVER happen again!); yet what has his continual response been? He can't leave; he learned his lesson so he won't make the same mistake again; he won't use the word "reformed" but he'll continue teaching reformed theology. Note especially that he said he knows better than his pastor.

Evangelist is a street preacher who has never discipled any of the people he's led to the Lord. A pastor is a man who has taken on a calling to be the under-shepherd of the flock 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Evangelist probably hasn't even been in half the congregation's houses; not only has the pastor been in their houses, but he's visited them in the hospital, comforted them during trials and tribulations, and preached at their funerals. But Evangelist knows better than the pastor.

ShagNappy and go2church nailed it: doesn't matter one's physical age when you're talking about maturity. And Evangelist's lack of maturity points to a mental incapacity that can only be explained by mental illness, a condition similar to Sheldon Cooper on "Big Bang Theory," or a troll crafting messages to see what responses they receive.

If Evangelist is on the up-and-up, he will never abide by your advice unless it agrees with what he wants to do. I advise you all: Exercise some spiritual discernment about this guy, and shake the dust off and move on.

I know it sounds harsh; but that's why I have him on ignore.

Okay, back to avoiding his threads.

My critics multiply like rabbits!

 

[evangelist6589]

You didn't need to go there. If you really had pity on him you wouldn't give him that kind of slam.

It's okay he's just another rabbit spewing his nonsense. Critics will attack me but I have not once attacked then personally as they have me.

 

[evangelist6589]

No it isn't. This guy told everyone in the place that he is a Calvinist, including his wife & this schmuck of a pastor. This is more of an example of trying to change Evan more than anything else..... I can hear the conversations now....."oh he will adapt, he will adjust".....when what they really mean is he will convert. Well folks here is a guy who wont convert, he wont compromise his beliefs ....and he should not have to. The only thing he has to do now is blow that place off & go to the Calvinistic church he wants to go to......DO IT EVAN, DO IT!!!!

I just got back from a retreat with a bunch of IFB brothers. I enjoyed my time of fellowship and nope did not once try and cause division.

My only gripes where some KJVO'S types attacking the ESV and all modern versions. I simply gave one person a challenge in gentleness and respect. Also one preacher was attacking non IFB churches that believed in drinking in moderation and believed a Godly church sings only hymns. He passed judgment on all non IFB churches and I also challenged that view in gentleness and respect.

Nope did not agree with the Arminian emphasis on soul winning and some other issues but did not raise them as no one attacked Calvinists. We'll one preacher attacked Hyper Calvinist and I agreed. But in general they stayed out of the debate and so we lived in peace.

I was listening to Mac one night and he said in a situation like mine being forced to attend a non Reformed church I need to make the best of where I am and to serve and love them as Christ did. I will do this.

 

[evangelist6589]

You have lost weight, and you have improved at preaching, people are beginning to stop and listen.



You must be eating different food now.

It does not matter. God will bring his elect to salvation. The guy I listened to allot when I first started was Reformed and preached to people as they walked by. No one stopped to listen to him and he never got a crowd. But he preached faithfully beacause the elect would respond.

I remember once a guy cussed me out to my face but I treated him in kindness and greatly impacted his life for the gospel in our chat after my sermon. He may have repented as he may have been elect.

 

[InTheLight]

It does not matter. God will bring his elect to salvation.

So why bother with evangelism?

 

[evangelist6589]

So why bother with evangelism?

The Great Commission and evangelism which glorifies God.

 

[Tom Butler]

Two scriptural truths should motivate us all to evangelism, missions and outreach, Calvinist or non-Calvinist.

One is the Great Commission of Matthew 28, where Jesus told them to go into all the world.

The other explains why we go. I Corinthians 1:21:

it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. ...

This makes it clear that God does not save independently of means--that is, the gospel. That's why Calvinists should witness whenever the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Tom Butler]

I am a DoG who is in a definite minority in my church. My views are well-known, but I do not try to convert everyone to my view.

I have come to believe that this is not a hill on which one should die. I don't know a single Calvinist who was argued into that view. They came to their position on their own, in most cases.

If one has a crusade to make a non-Calvinist church into a Calvinist one, he must consider whether it's worth division and tension in that church, for that is what you'll get. Is it worth a church fight?

If someone asks me about my Calvinism, I'll tell them. But I'm not starting a fight over it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I just got back from a retreat with a bunch of IFB brothers. I enjoyed my time of fellowship and nope did not once try and cause division.

My only gripes where some KJVO'S types attacking the ESV and all modern versions. I simply gave one person a challenge in gentleness and respect. Also one preacher was attacking non IFB churches that believed in drinking in moderation and believed a Godly church sings only hymns. He passed judgment on all non IFB churches and I also challenged that view in gentleness and respect.

Nope did not agree with the Arminian emphasis on soul winning and some other issues but did not raise them as no one attacked Calvinists. We'll one preacher attacked Hyper Calvinist and I agreed. But in general they stayed out of the debate and so we lived in peace.

I was listening to Mac one night and he said in a situation like mine being forced to attend a non Reformed church I need to make the best of where I am and to serve and love them as Christ did. I will do this.

First.....you are not being forced. This is a problem of your own making. You have heardthe term, "self inflicted gun shot wound " well that be you.