Pastors call to fly Christian Flag above U.S. Flag

[McCree79]

Hollow actions IMO.

You want to make a statement lead your neighbor to Christ.

Show that Christ/God is first in your life through that, rather than how or where you display your flag.

Hey, worst case scenario it will keep the Jehovah witnesses away

....probably not.

*.....and it can't be anymore hollow than the U.S. flag flying.

 

[Zaac]

For crying out loud. Talk about conservatives being against things. Good grief someone take the Christian flag and puts it over the American flag signifying honoring God first and somehow that is wrong? really?

Not wrong. Just unnecessary. It's just an attempt to unnecessarily poke a hornets nest.

We always seem to look for ways to get other stuff to represent Christendom instead of US living lives that signify honoring God first. I guess a flag is just easier and doesn't require much real commitment.

I mean seriously. Most of the world wouldn't even know what the "Christian" flag represented.

How would we respond if a mosque here in the United States flew one of the Muslim flags above the United States flag?

 

[wpe3bql]

Maybe some of you already know this, but then maybe some of you don't.

The flag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has what to the untrained may seem like just a bunch of scribbling above the sword.

Well, it isn't just a bunch of scribbling. In the Arabic language, this is what is printed on that flag:

THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND MOHAMMED IS HIS PROPHET

There is no concept of "the separation of 'church and state'" in Islamic-controlled nations. They are one and the same.

To them, the "State" is merely the means by which Islamic ["Sharia"] law is enforced.

Most of us have already seen the atrocities carried out by Islamic extremists such as ISIS. To Islamic extremists/jihadists, life has no intrinsic value. Even innocent babies and/or young children who aren't even capable of making "rational" decisions concerning which "religion" is the only true one are either killed, tortured, or forced to become "soldiers" for their Islamic masters and ordered to kill their own parents and/or siblings. Should these young children (usually boys) become somewhat hesitant in carrying out their masters' orders, they too are killed or tortured.

The PC crowd tells us we should never do anything at all that smacks of offending Islamic people.

To a point, I agree that as Christians we should not go out of our way to be "offensive" to Islamic individuals.

Instead, we should love them as people with souls that will spend eternity somewhere. We should do what we can to help them understand that only Jesus Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life."

But, OTOH, we also need to keep in mind that the only goal for Islamic extremists/jihadists is to use whatever means they can to advance their satanic religion. Killing, torturing, raping, etc., is acceptable to them. Why? Because "Allah Wills It!!"

Think on these things.

 

[go2church]

Years ago I read a book on the lessons of history. The author made a strong argument on why the national flag should never be placed alongside the Christian flag. One represents Caesar, the world, war, the secular. The other represents God, the spiritual, all the is good.

Putting the two together is a poor witness to the world of what Christians stand for and misrepresent Christ.

I understand the sentiment of what you're saying, but for now, we are citizens of both.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I understand the sentiment of what you're saying, but for now, we are citizens of both.

I agree but I do not believe we should show an alliance in this way.

Another reason is it simply re-enforces the Muslims view that in the West the church and government are one and the same. You and I know this is not true. In Islam the two are the very tightly tied together. Look at Iran and who has the final say.

 

[targus]

...the Muslims view that in the West the church and government are one and the same.

Were do you get this idea?

 

[Alcott]

I understand the sentiment of what you're saying, but for now, we are citizens of both.

"No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth” [Luke 16:13].

 

[Zaac]

Were do you get this idea?

Go sit with some of the Imams in the Middle East. I've heard it REPEATEDLY from them and lots of their people in the Middle East that they largely associate what the US government does with Christianity. They make very little if any distinction between the two perhaps because that's what they see in their own system of government.

 

[InTheLight]

Well, it isn't just a bunch of scribbling. In the Arabic language, this is what is printed on that flag:

THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND MOHAMMED IS HIS PROPHET

There is no concept of "the separation of 'church and state'" in Islamic-controlled nations. They are one and the same.

To them, the "State" is merely the means by which Islamic ["Sharia"] law is enforced.

.....

The PC crowd tells us we should never do anything at all that smacks of offending Islamic people.

To a point, I agree that as Christians we should not go out of our way to be "offensive" to Islamic individuals.

Instead, we should love them as people with souls that will spend eternity somewhere. We should do what we can to help them understand that only Jesus Christ is "the way, the truth, and the life."

But, OTOH, we also need to keep in mind that the only goal for Islamic extremists/jihadists is to use whatever means they can to advance their satanic religion. Killing, torturing, raping, etc., is acceptable to them. Why? Because "Allah Wills It!!"

Think on these things.

Could you elaborate as to what point you are trying to make? Because you SEEM to be saying,

"we should not offend Muslims but since they fly this flag that glorifies their God Allah we are justified in flying our Christian flag to counteract that."

 

[Don]

Originally Posted by Crabtownboy View Post
...the Muslims view that in the West the church and government are one and the same.

Were do you get this idea?

If I may...muslim politics and religion are not separate. If you check the "constitution" of the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, you find that Islam is the presiding religion and guide for the statements found in those constitutions. When it comes down to it, they didn't "need" a constitution, because their countries are theocracies. Their religion is the law, and the basis for their governments.

Now, because that's the way they're born and raised, and the majority have never left the country they were born in, their viewpoint is that church and state are one and the same; and cannot conceive of a country that would separate the two.

 

[Zaac]

If I may...muslim politics and religion are not separate. If you check the "constitution" of the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, you find that Islam is the presiding religion and guide for the statements found in those constitutions. When it comes down to it, they didn't "need" a constitution, because their countries are theocracies. Their religion is the law, and the basis for their governments.

Exactly and thus why it's not uncommon for them to assume the same thing about Christianity and the US Government especially when they see us allied with Israel.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If I may...muslim politics and religion are not separate. If you check the "constitution" of the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, you find that Islam is the presiding religion and guide for the statements found in those constitutions. When it comes down to it, they didn't "need" a constitution, because their countries are theocracies. Their religion is the law, and the basis for their governments.

Now, because that's the way they're born and raised, and the majority have never left the country they were born in, their viewpoint is that church and state are one and the same; and cannot conceive of a country that would separate the two.

[FONT="Comic Sans MS]"You are correct and that is one of the reasons we should not fly the two flags together. [/FONT]

 

[Sapper Woody]

Placing the protestant flag above the national flag would not be showing a place of honor to the protestant flag, regardless of intent. It would be showing dishonor to the national flag.



When I got married, I left my father and mother, and joined my wife. I love her more than any other person in this world. However, when we meet as an extended family for meals, my father gets a seat that symbolizes a place of honor, not my wife. This does not mean I love my father more than my wife.



It's the same with the flags. We are to honor the national flag, but that does not mean we love the country more than we love God.



To dishonor the national flag doesn't show love of God, it shows hatred of the world.

 

[Revmitchell]

Placing the protestant flag above the national flag would not be showing a place of honor to the protestant flag, regardless of intent. It would be showing dishonor to the national flag.



When I got married, I left my father and mother, and joined my wife. I love her more than any other person in this world. However, when we meet as an extended family for meals, my father gets a seat that symbolizes a place of honor, not my wife. This does not mean I love my father more than my wife.



It's the same with the flags. We are to honor the national flag, but that does not mean we love the country more than we love God.



To dishonor the national flag doesn't show love of God, it shows hatred of the world.

Says who and by what standard?


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[Sapper Woody]

Says who and by what standard?

Says the world. The people we are supposed to be winning to Christ, not alienating.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Our churches should not place any unnecessary barriers to the worship of visiting Koreans, Russians, or Portuguese. We already must deal with natural and providential barriers, such as differences in language. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal. 3:28). I wouldn't want to worship in a sanctuary with a Scythian flag up front (Col. 3:11), and the Golden Rule requires that we not do to the visiting Scythians what we didn't very much like when they did it to us.

The New Testament is all about this principle. Where customs interfere with transnational fellowship, those customs must give way (Acts 15:29).

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/july-august/should-churches-display-the-american-flag.html

 

[Revmitchell]

Says the world. The people we are supposed to be winning to Christ, not alienating.

Never heard anyone say anything remotely similar to that.


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[McCree79]

Placing the protestant flag above the national flag would not be showing a place of honor to the protestant flag, regardless of intent. It would be showing dishonor to the national flag.



When I got married, I left my father and mother, and joined my wife. I love her more than any other person in this world. However, when we meet as an extended family for meals, my father gets a seat that symbolizes a place of honor, not my wife. This does not mean I love my father more than my wife.



It's the same with the flags. We are to honor the national flag, but that does not mean we love the country more than we love God.



To dishonor the national flag doesn't show love of God, it shows hatred of the world.

Would God not get the place of honor as your father did? Why would the country get the place of honor above God?

 

[Sapper Woody]

Never heard anyone say anything remotely similar to that.

Not too many months ago there was a story posted here about a Mexican restaurant flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. Did people respond with " Oh, they love Mexico so much!"? No, they responded with outrage, so much so that an old veteran cut down the flag.



Do you think the world will respond differently if we were to take the same action? No. The outrage would be the same, only this time it would make all of Christianity look bad, as historically the actions of one Christian reflect on all Christians.



On a side note, the protestant flag means nothing to me. It doesn't represent anything to me. The cross does, and the Bible does. That banner doesn't.

 

[Revmitchell]

Not too many months ago there was a story posted here about a Mexican restaurant flying the Mexican flag above the American flag. Did people respond with " Oh, they love Mexico so much!"? No, they responded with outrage, so much so that an old veteran cut down the flag.

And you think that is an equal comparison?

Do you think the world will respond differently if we were to take the same action? No. The outrage would be the same, only this time it would make all of Christianity look bad, as historically the actions of one Christian reflect on all Christians.

Yes, because the issue is not about illegals coming into America and disrespecting our country. It is not about another country at all.

On a side note, the protestant flag means nothing to me. It doesn't represent anything to me. The cross does, and the Bible does. That banner doesn't.

It may not but it does to many many Christians.