Paul Washer

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I personally suspect that the only way brothers and sisters for us to regain our integrity and effectiveness as the proclaimers of God's Kingdomon earth is to be much smaller and happy to be so...id call it a mustard seed conspiracy if I can steal a little from some of our political forum posters. A few hundred always appears to look good on the surface, but we all know there is soooo much lacking, if we are honest with ourselves. I personally take seriously Jesus' teaching about where two or three are gathered in my name....and I know that threatens many of you...but this is His church and not ours.

 

[Reformed]

Let me tell you why I welcome Paul Washer's messages. He has rightly diagnosed the problem with the churches in the West - sin in the camp. Sin is the reason churches are not fulfilling the Great Commission. Sin is the reason why churches hyper-contextualize and compromise their gospel preaching. Listen, I struggle with sin in my own life. I know the horrible damage it does to an effective Christian witness. Paul Washer serves a useful purpose in offering a prophetic cry against sin in the camp. It is the job of pastors to provide a fully balanced spiritual diet to their members.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Let me tell you why I welcome Paul Washer's messages. He has rightly diagnosed the problem with the churches in the West - sin in the camp. Sin is the reason churches are not fulfilling the Great Commission. Sin is the reason why churches hyper-contextualize and compromise their gospel preaching. Listen, I struggle with sin in my own life. I know the horrible damage it does to an effective Christian witness. Paul Washer serves a useful purpose in offering a prophetic cry against sin in the camp. It is the job of pastors to provide a fully balanced spiritual diet to their members.

SIN......REALLY!?! Gee, why didn't someone else consider that!!!!! LOL.

Well of cource its sin....and it is the pastors job to recognize it and address it. However that's not a new idea .... so what's next? Do we all sit around and workshop our navels!?! What's the action plan or is this what Washer is laying out and he isn't getting any buy in to his proposals?

 

[Rippon]

Well of cource [sic]its [sic]sin....and it is the pastors[sic] job to recognize it and address it. However that's not a new idea .... so what's next? Do we all sit around and workshop our navels!?! What's the action plan or is this what Washer is laying out and he isn't getting any[sic] buy in to[sic] his proposals?

Be respectful.

 

[Reformed]

SIN......REALLY!?! Gee, why didn't someone else consider that!!!!! LOL.

Well of cource its sin....and it is the pastors job to recognize it and address it. However that's not a new idea .... so what's next? Do we all sit around and workshop our navels!?! What's the action plan or is this what Washer is laying out and he isn't getting any buy in to his proposals?

Paul Washer is one man with one message. Let's pray that pastors the world over will preach against sin and redemption in Christ. Pastors need to step up and fulfill their calling.

 

[Thousand Hills]

Let me tell you why I welcome Paul Washer's messages. He has rightly diagnosed the problem with the churches in the West - sin in the camp. Sin is the reason churches are not fulfilling the Great Commission. Sin is the reason why churches hyper-contextualize and compromise their gospel preaching. Listen, I struggle with sin in my own life. I know the horrible damage it does to an effective Christian witness. Paul Washer serves a useful purpose in offering a prophetic cry against sin in the camp. It is the job of pastors to provide a fully balanced spiritual diet to their members.

Well said. :applause: I like this short devotional below, I believe Paul Washer is a Nathan, I pray that God will raise up more Nathans for this generation. We all need accountability.

Pattern for Revival - Vance Havner
Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners hall be converted unto thee.
Psalm 51:12-13

Here in Old Testament language the difference between revival and evangelism, so often confused today. David is saying, “Make me right and then I will go after somebody else!” Too much church work is being done by people who are not right with God and each other, who know neither the joy of salvation nor a willing spirit.

Conviction of sin, confession of sin, cleansing, and a right spirit – all this is revival. Evangelism, soul-winning, personal work, the conversion of sinners – all this flows from revival.

David needed a Nathan, and the church needs a prophet to tell his story and make the application, “Thou art the man.” That is not easy – especially if “the man” is sitting right in front of you! There are guilty Davids aplenty but few faithful Nathans.

 

[Thousand Hills]

He'd sure condemn us here in Japan then, where after 150 years of Protestant missions only 1% of the population claim Christianity, including Catholics and the cults.

You remember Jim Norton, who was a very zealous soul winner. A church he founded just had their 40th anniversary celebration. The pastor is a good, godly Japanese man and a soul winner, but they only have 12 members. I'm glad numbers are not how God evaluates His stewards!

John I'm thankful for men and women like you around the world who are faithful to God's call. :thumbs:

I don't believe PW would condemn the work you folks are doing. http://www.heartcrymissionary.com/japan

I've heard that the Native Americans are the most evangelized people in the world with the least results. God has financially blessed the church in America, but we are not doing enough even in our own back yard. We are shallow and too comfortable. This is what PW is calling folks out for.

 

[John of Japan]

John I'm thankful for men and women like you around the world who are faithful to God's call. :thumbs:

I don't believe PW would condemn the work you folks are doing. http://www.heartcrymissionary.com/japan

I would hope he would not condemn the work here. We missionaries to Japan beat ourselves up enough as it is because of how difficult the work is. As a friend of mine says, "All methods are equally ineffective in Japan." :laugh: The page you sent me to is generally accurate, but the "22 unreached people groups" statement is puzzling to say the least. All we have here are Japanese and Ainu, with people from other countries such as Korea.

But to go to any country and condemn the work of good missionaries and pastors without understanding the challenges of that particular country, as C4K heard PW do where he is, is simply poor missiology.

I'm not a fan of PW's missiology, as evidenced in his mission board HeartCry. The concept of sending American money to support indigenous evangelists or missionaries has failed over and over due to the dependence that produces on foreign (American) money. The believers on the field ought to be the ones to support their missionaries--otherwise they are kept from developing their own support of their own missionaries, as is Biblical. I have preached in a country where this is being done with absolutely no American funds, and the results are tremendous!

I've heard that the Native Americans are the most evangelized people in the world with the least results. God has financially blessed the church in America, but we are not doing enough even in our own back yard. We are shallow and too comfortable. This is what PW is calling folks out for.

I agree with this. American Christianity is in general "at ease in Zion" without putting Christ's last command first.

 

[SolaSaint]

My original point was not to create a bashing of PW and his methods. I love Paul and I hope he never reads this. I'm sure he has better use of his time. I must learn not to judge my spirituality based upon what I see in others.

Mod-can we close this thread?

 

[John of Japan]

My original point was not to create a bashing of PW and his methods. I love Paul and I hope he never reads this. I'm sure he has better use of his time. I must learn not to judge my spirituality based upon what I see in others.

Mod-can we close this thread?

If you're talking about what I just read, I'm very puzzled. How can simple disagreement with his methods be "bashing"? Surely an open discussion of missiology would help accomplish what you say he wished--the American churches more obedient to the Great Commission.

 

[SolaSaint]

I'm not referring to your post. Look further past.

 

[John of Japan]

I'm not referring to your post. Look further past.

Okay. God bless.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

My original point was not to create a bashing of PW and his methods. I love Paul and I hope he never reads this. I'm sure he has better use of his time. I must learn not to judge my spirituality based upon what I see in others.

Mod-can we close this thread?

Per normal practice this thread is closed at the request of its creator.