Paul's Gospel?

If he preached the kingdom to a group of Jews and Gentiles alike at the same time then he was preaching to a group that was already saved by grace through faith apart from works. When they heard/read that message and believed I'm not sure unless it states it in the text, which I doubt that it does.

 

If we read on to Acts 46 we find out what Paul was preaching.


Act 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.
Act 13:47 "For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I HAVE PLACED YOU AS A LIGHT FOR THE GENTILES, THAT YOU MAY BRING SALVATION TO THE END OF THE EARTH.' "

I see nothing of the kingdom (as in ME doctrine). I see eternal life being preached. And as it has been said repeatedly, "this is the ONLY gospel".

 

I agree that the kingdom and salvation are the same gospels. When I say Paul didn't preach the kingdom what I mean is he didn't preach ME. Just wanted to clear that up.

 

And this is what the majority of Christendom would say. And with the merger of those two messages you are left with salvation by grace through faith plus obedience, repentance, continual belief, faithfulness, baptism, etc. etc. However that's NOT what Scripture says.

And I know you all will deny it and we'll go right back to square one. They aren't the same messages. One is grace where works NEVER enter the picture prior to, during or after. And the other one is a faith that works. They simply aren't the same thing. The Scripture simply doesn't support that view. You are more than welcome to carry on in that view, but I will not be going with you.

There's just way too many contradictions that are placed on Scripture when you combine to the two messages.
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Yes, Acts 28:28 is where he says that "this salvation is sent to the Gentiles and they will hear it."

Gentiles have always been able to be saved, the same way as anyone else. So, what is "this" salvation to which Paul refers?

 

And the salvation that was offered to the Jews was the kingdom. They already had everlasting life when Christ came to the earth. What they didn't have and subsequently what they wanted to have no part of was a place in His coming kingdom.

Yet just another reason why the gospel of grace through faith apart from works and the gospel of the kingdom are not the same thing. Christ's kingdom is 1000 years in length. So if you equate the two message our everlasting life is really nothing more than 1000 years of life, because that is the length of the kingdom.

 

That's what 99% of the gospel accounts are about. How much more Scripture do you need than that? You can also look at the first part of Acts, especially chapters 2 and 4.

Scripture tells us that Christ came to the lost sheep not the dead. Scripture tells us they were spiritually blind, not spiritually dead.

I would ask you where is your Scripture support to say that these folks were spiritually dead? And when did God stop accepting their faith in the death and shed blood of the animals?

 

When their Messiah came. They rejected Him and were cut off from the vine. The Gentiles were grafted in.

 

So, y'all don't think Gentiles could be saved until Acts 28:28?

 

The question was:

Do you sacrifice animals? Would God accept it if you did?

 

OF COURSE it pointed to the LAMB OF GOD. I have stated that before. That is the WHOLE POINT.

You really are showing a lack of understanding to what I believe.

They were saved by their faith in what God had told them regarding that system.

So until you can show when and where God stopped accepting that you have no case to show that the people addressed in the gospel accounts were spiritually dead.

Where did I ever say this? Let me answer it for you. NOWHERE. We are ALL saved by grace through faith apart from works for everlasting life. EVERYONE AT ALL TIMES (past, present and future).

EXACTLY! They were both in the same spiritual condition and were both able to entertain the same offer. The offer was the kingdom not everlasting life.

 

Going to be hard to prove that on with Scripture, because the disciples....let me repeat that THE DISCIPLES didn't even believe Jesus was going to die until VERY late in His ministry and some probably didn't even believe it until it happened.

Peter was bound and determined to stop Him from going to the cross, much less dying on it.

So are you willing to say that these men followed Jesus around as spiritually dead men?

And the coming of the Messiah had to do with the kingdom NOT everlasting life.