Paul's salvation

[awaken]

When was Paul actually saved?

 

[awaken]

Did he receive it here...
"Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized" (Acts 9:17-18)

Or was he saved and received his apostleship in this encounter with Jesus...

"About noon as I came near Damascus, suddenly a bright light from heaven flashed around me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, 'Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?' 'Who are you, Lord?' I asked. 'I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,' he replied. My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me. 'What shall I do, Lord?' I asked. 'Get up,' the Lord said, 'and go into Damascus. There you will be told all that you have been assigned to do.'" (Acts 22:6-10)

 

[awaken]

Or maybe nobody knows....:sleep:

 

[saturneptune]

It is before verse 17, because at that point he is called Brother Saul. My opinion is it is either happened at his first encounter with the Risen Lord, or shortly thereafter.

 

[awaken]

It is before verse 17, because at that point he is called Brother Saul. My opinion is it is either happened at his first encounter with the Risen Lord, or shortly thereafter.

So Paul was converted to Christianity when he saw and spoke to the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus, and he received his apostleship at that time. However, there was a three-day gap (see Acts 9:9) between the moment when Paul was saved and the moment when he was "filled" with the Holy Spirit when a disciple named Ananias laid hands on him:

"Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized" (Acts 9:17-18)

When Paul was "filled with" the Holy Spirit, was that the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Perhaps. Consider that when the disciples received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, the Bible specifically says that they were "filled with" the Holy Spirit. This is not conclusive proof, but many Bible scholars feel that Paul received the baptism of the Holy Spirit when Ananias laid hands on him.

So Paul had too seperate experiences, right?

 

[HisWitness]

just 1 experience

1st-as i have stated berfore hte word Lord can be used as a Title of Respect towards someone else higher than you or above you in leadership--Paul didnt know who Jesus was--and before Jesus even told him who he was,Paul called him Lord--if someone or something struck you blind and in such a manner as that--you would be relating to that person in a respectful manner

2nd-as i have also stated the Word Brother is used as related to fellow jews of the same fold(Brother or Brethren)

Acts chap 7--Stephen speaking saying Men,Brethren,Fathers

Moses supposed his (Brethren)would realize he was called by god to deliever them--were they all saved NO!!! they were all fellow jews like he himself

when talking to a group its (Brethren)
when talking to 1 person its (Brother)

notice how when hes done talking to these jews-he tells them as their fathers did resist the Holy Ghost so do they!!
and the result is his own BRETHREN stoning him to death(they were fellow jews not saved)

also you cant DENY the Word of GOD--Paul said in Romans that whosoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved--he didNOT say whosoever says the word Lord to someone else is save..

So i confirm again--when did Paul CALL ON the name of the LORD as a needy man who at his ropes end and needed to be saved??? well scripture says that when Ananias came he said to Paul--why tarry thee arise be BAPTIZED
CALLING(and i repeat CALLING!!!) on the name of the Lord

So my friends you can only deny the Word when you say that Paul wasnt savedin the city of Damascus 3 days after the road experience

yes he receieved his sight there--yes he was filled with the Holy Ghost there(by the way he had not even received the Holy Ghost before this time)so he received and was filled means the same thing that happens at the point of Salvation

 

[saturneptune]

So Paul was converted to Christianity when he saw and spoke to the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus, and he received his apostleship at that time. However, there was a three-day gap (see Acts 9:9) between the moment when Paul was saved and the moment when he was "filled" with the Holy Spirit when a disciple named Ananias laid hands on him:

"Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit." Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized" (Acts 9:17-18)

When Paul was "filled with" the Holy Spirit, was that the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Perhaps. Consider that when the disciples received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, the Bible specifically says that they were "filled with" the Holy Spirit. This is not conclusive proof, but many Bible scholars feel that Paul received the baptism of the Holy Spirit when Ananias laid hands on him.

So Paul had too seperate experiences, right?

During a seven or eight year period, from Pentecost to the Holy Spirit being poured out to the Gentiles, supernatural events occurred with the event. At the pouring out of the Gentiles, the pouring out was complete, and an era started of obtaining the Holy Spirit at salvation without the miracles. We have the complete Word of God. In Acts 1:5, Christ says the Spirit would be revealed in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and all over the earth. Pentecost was the first event in Jerusalem. There is a reference to the Holy Spirit in Chapter 8 in relation to Samaria. Then in Chapters 9-11, a detailed account is given of the HS at Cornelius's house and the first gentile church at Antioch. It was a unique period of time for the work of the Holy Spirit.

Although all Chrisitans possess the Holy Spirit, there is no reason they cannot be filled with that Spirit in them for a specific purpose as God wills. Many of the terms get used as adjectives of the other. There is baptism of the Holy Spirit, pouring out of the Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit, and possession of the Holy Spirit. The first two to me are the same confined to that eight year period. The last two are active in the believer today. I am open to learning about this deep subject. It is one of the most complex doctrines in Scripture to me.

 

[percho]

I think he was called by the Lord about noon on the road just shy of Damascus.

Three days later I think he was given the Holy Spirit setting him apart unto salvation and for the purpose of God the Father.

 

[awaken]

I think he was called by the Lord about noon on the road just shy of Damascus.

Three days later I think he was given the Holy Spirit setting him apart unto salvation and for the purpose of God the Father.

So he was not saved on the road to Damascus? So are you saying that you can be called by God and accept His calling without being saved?

 

[awaken]

just 1 experience

1st-as i have stated berfore hte word Lord can be used as a Title of Respect towards someone else higher than you or above you in leadership--Paul didnt know who Jesus was--and before Jesus even told him who he was,Paul called him Lord--if someone or something struck you blind and in such a manner as that--you would be relating to that person in a respectful manner

2nd-as i have also stated the Word Brother is used as related to fellow jews of the same fold(Brother or Brethren)

Acts chap 7--Stephen speaking saying Men,Brethren,Fathers

Moses supposed his (Brethren)would realize he was called by god to deliever them--were they all saved NO!!! they were all fellow jews like he himself

when talking to a group its (Brethren)
when talking to 1 person its (Brother)

notice how when hes done talking to these jews-he tells them as their fathers did resist the Holy Ghost so do they!!
and the result is his own BRETHREN stoning him to death(they were fellow jews not saved)

also you cant DENY the Word of GOD--Paul said in Romans that whosoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved--he didNOT say whosoever says the word Lord to someone else is save..

So i confirm again--when did Paul CALL ON the name of the LORD as a needy man who at his ropes end and needed to be saved??? well scripture says that when Ananias came he said to Paul--why tarry thee arise be BAPTIZED
CALLING(and i repeat CALLING!!!) on the name of the Lord

So my friends you can only deny the Word when you say that Paul wasnt savedin the city of Damascus 3 days after the road experience

yes he receieved his sight there--yes he was filled with the Holy Ghost there(by the way he had not even received the Holy Ghost before this time)so he received and was filled means the same thing that happens at the point of Salvation

Very good observations!
Now will God call a person and commision him as an unsaved person?

 

[percho]

So he was not saved on the road to Damascus? So are you saying that you can be called by God and accept His calling without being saved?

No I did not say that.

Paul was nearing Damascus with only thing on his mind, that being, a persecutor, and injurious and he was also, a blasphemer for he really did not and or could not love God. He like all, before being called, was ignorant being deceived. They are in unbelief.

1 Tim 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief.

Was before? Before being called and filled with the spirit three days later.

Verse 12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

It was the filling of the Spirit that moved him from being in unbelief to being in belief, becoming one believing. He was now under the abundant grace faith and love of Christ Jesus Verse 14

He was no longer blind but now he could see.

 

[percho]

Very good observations!
Now will God call a person and commision him as an unsaved person?

This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Tense: Present
Voice: Active
Mood: Indicative
Person: first
Number: Singular

I guess he does.

 

[HisWitness]

God does call men to preach before they are saved--but they cannot do it until they are saved and led by the Holy Spirit--they may try to do their calling in the flesh--but they will only cause a mess of things

 

[MB]

When was Paul actually saved?

Answer; When Paul ask the Lord what He would have Him do. What many over look is the submission in asking.
MB

 

[awaken]

Answer; When Paul ask the Lord what He would have Him do. What many over look is the submission in asking.
MB

I see Paul saved on the road to Damascus too! So what happen three days later when Ananias laid hands on him?

 

[percho]

I see Paul saved on the road to Damascus too! So what happen three days later when Ananias laid hands on him?

Was Paul blind after the road encounter? What would you say is the implication of that blindness if any? What would you say is the implication of the scales falling from his eyes? How long after he received understanding would you say it was before he began to preach Jesus the one who called him as the Christ the Son of the Living God? Is that not the very thing he was deceived of while he was in unbelief?

Remember Paul himself said that what he preached he did not receive from men.

 

[awaken]

Was Paul blind after the road encounter? What would you say is the implication of that blindness if any? What would you say is the implication of the scales falling from his eyes? How long after he received understanding would you say it was before he began to preach Jesus the one who called him as the Christ the Son of the Living God? Is that not the very thing he was deceived of while he was in unbelief?

Remember Paul himself said that what he preached he did not receive from men.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

 

[percho]

Was Paul blind after the road encounter? What would you say is the implication of that blindness if any? What would you say is the implication of the scales falling from his eyes? How long after he received understanding would you say it was before he began to preach Jesus the one who called him as the Christ the Son of the Living God? Is that not the very thing he was deceived of while he was in unbelief?

Remember Paul himself said that what he preached he did not receive from men.

Yes Paul was blind after the encounter with Jesus for three more days.
I would say the implication would be to not only blind physically but also to the things of God.
I would say not only was he able to see physically but also he was by the Spirit of God being shown the things of God. Received understanding, made to be, a believer.
I would say he begin to preach Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ within twenty fours of having received the Spirit of understanding.
Yes.

I would add he had always been of the sheep of Christ but he did not know that until he was filled with the Spirit of God through Christ.

Those are my answers to my questions.

 

[awaken]

Yes Paul was blind after the encounter with Jesus for three more days.
I would say the implication would be to not only blind physically but also to the things of God.
I would say not only was he able to see physically but also he was by the Spirit of God being shown the things of God. Received understanding, made to be, a believer.
I would say he begin to preach Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ within twenty fours of having received the Spirit of understanding.
Yes.

I would add he had always been of the sheep of Christ but he did not know that until he was filled with the Spirit of God through Christ.

Those are my answers to my questions.

24 hours huh? I thought there was a scripture that said he went off for awhile?

So you are saying that Paul was not saved until Ananias laid hand on him, is that correct?

 

[awaken]

During a seven or eight year period, from Pentecost to the Holy Spirit being poured out to the Gentiles, supernatural events occurred with the event. At the pouring out of the Gentiles, the pouring out was complete, and an era started of obtaining the Holy Spirit at salvation without the miracles. We have the complete Word of God. In Acts 1:5, Christ says the Spirit would be revealed in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and all over the earth. Pentecost was the first event in Jerusalem. There is a reference to the Holy Spirit in Chapter 8 in relation to Samaria. Then in Chapters 9-11, a detailed account is given of the HS at Cornelius's house and the first gentile church at Antioch. It was a unique period of time for the work of the Holy Spirit.

Although all Chrisitans possess the Holy Spirit, there is no reason they cannot be filled with that Spirit in them for a specific purpose as God wills. Many of the terms get used as adjectives of the other. There is baptism of the Holy Spirit, pouring out of the Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit, and possession of the Holy Spirit. The first two to me are the same confined to that eight year period. The last two are active in the believer today. I am open to learning about this deep subject. It is one of the most complex doctrines in Scripture to me.

Do I understand you to say that you believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit to be the same, and that it is not for today? How do you back up that Jesus does not baptize in the Spirit anymore?