Pelosi is Brilliant

[KenH]

how can you possibly agree that spending 1 trillion dollars is a good thing?

I have already explained why.

 

[LeBuick]

Sorry, but on a constitutional and a practical level, it is not the government's job to bail you, me, or anyone out of financial messes..

I agree in principle but these are not ordinary times which means ordinary solutions won't work. There are not many economist on either side of the isle who doesn't believe the Government needs to extend a hand to kick start our comeback.

I recall The late Pres Ronald Reagan once saying it is Government's job to get the ball rolling them get out the way. All we're asking is for Gov to get the ball rolling, no one expect it to be the complete solution.

 

[targus]

I recall The late Pres Ronald Reagan once saying it is Government's job to get the ball rolling them get out the way. All we're asking is for Gov to get the ball rolling, no one expect it to be the complete solution.

There are a few problems with your analogy.

1. The government has no intention of ever getting out of the way.
2. They think that they own the ball - and the park and make all the rules.
3. They want you to pay while they play.

 

[LeBuick]

There are a few problems with your analogy.

1. The government has no intention of ever getting out of the way.
2. They think that they own the ball - and the park and make all the rules.
3. They want you to pay while they play.

I guess that's to be seen...

President Obama repeatedly says the fix will take hard work from each of us. I take that to mean Government will move back once the ball has momentum.

 

[carpro]

She says, "I think the Bush presidency did great harm to America, with this war, with the enormous budget deficits, the challenges to the Constitution of the United States, the financial crisis that we are in." (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30216).

Then she proposes $825 billion in stimulus spending.

What a complete buffoon. If the enormous budget deficits did "great harm to America," how is increasing them going to help?

This shows that she is purely about politics. She is absolutely contradictory.

That's the democrat way.

First, find a solution that doesn't work.

Second, keep doing it.

 

[LeBuick]

That's the democrat way.

First, find a solution that doesn't work.

Second, keep doing it.

Good thing they weren't at the wheel when the nation went off the road... :thumbsup:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I would argue that the last two years of this administration have been the worst. Y'know, the ones with a dem majority.

 

[LeBuick]

I would argue that the last two years of this administration have been the worst. Y'know, the ones with a dem majority.

You can argue that but it won't make it true. Many of us felt this economic crises and recession long before wall street or 12/07 as declared by economist. It was because things were going so bad that voters started tossing conservatives in the 2006 elections.

It started with Bush gave tax incentives for corporations to send jobs overseas which was supposed to make us more competitive in the global market butt the cost was the economy at home. A few at the top of corporations may have reaped the profits from the decision but we're all paying for it now. People can't pay loans when they no longer have a job. That's a huge duh???

 

[Revmitchell]

I would argue that the last two years of this administration have been the worst. Y'know, the ones with a dem majority.

And they would be right.

 

[rbell]

I guess that's to be seen...

President Obama repeatedly says the fix will take hard work from each of us. I take that to mean Government will move back once the ball has momentum.

That doesn't happen.

When a bureaucracy is ensconced, it is rarely removed.

 

[Revmitchell]

That doesn't happen.

When a bureaucracy is ensconced, it is rarely removed.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You can argue that but it won't make it true. Many of us felt this economic crises and recession long before wall street or 12/07 as declared by economist. It was because things were going so bad that voters started tossing conservatives in the 2006 elections.

I won't entertain your spin too long, except to sayBarney Frank lied to us all when he said we could give poor people homes. I know liberals hate to be critical of other liberals, but he IS the banking queen of America. Has been for a while.

It started with Bush gave tax incentives for corporations to send jobs overseas which was supposed to make us more competitive in the global market butt the cost was the economy at home. A few at the top of corporations may have reaped the profits from the decision but we're all paying for it now. People can't pay loans when they no longer have a job. That's a huge duh???

Your first sentence in this paragraph is an out an out lie. It started with Clinton's NAFTA. Can't debate anything else when the original premise is flawed.

 

[LeBuick]

Your first sentence in this paragraph is an out an out lie. It started with Clinton's NAFTA. Can't debate anything else when the original premise is flawed.

I stand corrected, NAFTA did start the ball rolling but Bush sure gave it momentum and no path of discouragement with his blunder. The end result is American's with no jobs and no means to sustain themselves or contribute to this economy which makes us more on the level of a third world country.

 

[rbell]

I stand corrected, NAFTA did start the ball rolling but Bush sure gave it momentum and no path of discouragement with his blunder. The end result is American's with no jobs and no means to sustain themselves or contribute to this economy which makes us more on the level of a third world country.

You're kidding...right?

Have you been to any third-world countries?

Our poor are richer than a huge majority of the world's "middle class."

We need to keep perspective here.

We help several folks a week, either directly at our church, or (more often) through our community ministries program we have with other area churches.

Without fail, everyone who has come to get help from us in the last few weeks has had transportation. (There was one whose car was near death, but the others' cars seemed fine). Most had cell phones. None were starving.

Now...were they in need? Absolutely. But let's not make this out to be what it's not. We are not even near the difficulties encountered in the great depression by many of our ancestors.

We are not a third-world country. Not even close. This kind of rhetoric is what makes honest evaluation of politics and leaders so difficult nowadays.

 

[Revmitchell]

You're kidding...right?

Have you been to any third-world countries?

Our poor are richer than a huge majority of the world's "middle class."

We need to keep perspective here.

We help several folks a week, either directly at our church, or (more often) through our community ministries program we have with other area churches.

Without fail, everyone who has come to get help from us in the last few weeks has had transportation. (There was one whose car was near death, but the others' cars seemed fine). Most had cell phones. None were starving.

Now...were they in need? Absolutely. But let's not make this out to be what it's not. We are not even near the difficulties encountered in the great depression by many of our ancestors.

We are not a third-world country. Not even close. This kind of rhetoric is what makes honest evaluation of politics and leaders so difficult nowadays.

Third world country...where do libs get these things? :BangHead: Maybe they should actually visit a third world country before opening their mouths. Just plain stupid.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I'm not so sure about blaming NAFTA. It isn't the jobs going to Canada and Mexico that are deepening this recession...but it is a problem when we have slaves in China manufacture everything we buy. And yes there is lots of blame to go in lots of places, but the Bush policies have indeed encouraged companies to enrich themselves at the expense of the American worker. We now have government of the CEOs, by the CEOs and for the CEOs. This is the result. They killed the goose that layed the golden egg.

 

[Revmitchell]

. We now have government of the CEOs, by the CEOs and for the CEOs. This is the result. They killed the goose that layed the golden egg.

Now back to reality...............

 

[LeBuick]

You're kidding...right?

Have you been to any third-world countries?

Our poor are richer than a huge majority of the world's "middle class."

We need to keep perspective here..

I said more on the level as in closer. I didn't say we made it there yet but if this downward economic fall continues we'll get there one day. Imagine what out poor would look like without welfare? Imagine how fast those entering the jobless numbers would be moving into cardboard shacks without unemployment and government help bridging them through this time of job transition? Don't you see, it is the redistribution of wealth that keeps us from looking like a third world country.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You contradict yourself. You say higher tax rates keep us from being a third world country, but the more intervention we see, the more homeless we create.

I would say that I never considered moving into a cardboard shack, and I have lost several jobs. Crisis creates opportunity. People who give up and hold out their hand deserve to live in welfare ghettos.

 

[Revmitchell]

Don't you see, it is the redistribution of wealth that keeps us from looking like a third world country.

And that my friends is marxism