Penal Substitution Atonement (explain and discuss)

[DaveXR650]

No, PSA does not fit the model. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness. You have minimalized sin. (You present the Father as taking our sins from us, punishing them on Jesus, as if that cleansed us). Sin is more substantial than your theory allows.

You can keep saying that, even though it violates you own premise of the thread which was not to be a thread for destroying PSA. Nevertheless, I would honestly not have expected anything else at this point. I really don't see how someone who holds to PSA would not be blessed by Psalm 103, any less so than someone who believes God had tricked Satan or paid him a ransom.

 

[JonC]

You meant:

"Christ's blood cleanses from all unrighteousness."

Was His blood retroactive to the OT saints?

Lol...yes. It is applicable via faith, so yes. It was by His blood man was reconciled to God and Jesus is this reconciliation. God passed over the sins of the OT saints until man was reconciled to Him in Christ so He would be just and the justifier of those who have faith in Him.

 

[JonC]

You can keep saying that, even though it violates you own premise of the thread which was not to be a thread for destroying PSA. Nevertheless, I would honestly not have expected anything else at this point. I really don't see how someone who holds to PSA would not be blessed by Psalm 103, any less so than someone who believes God had tricked Satan or paid him a ransom.

I did not say this wouldn't be a thread destroying PSA. I said it would not be a place to argue different theories.

It is fair to note that out of all the positions PSA is the one that treats sin the most superficial (Satisfaction Atonement and Substitution Atonement treat sin too lightly, but not as bad as PSA).

 

[Salty]

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[Martin Marprelate]

It is fair to note that out of all the positions PSA is the one that treats sin the most superficial (Satisfaction Atonement and Substitution Atonement treat sin too lightly, but not as bad as PSA).

This would only be true in some starnge "Alice through the Looking Glass" world, where everything is the opposite of what is true.
In fact PSA is the one doctrine that treats sin with the seriousness with which God treats it. It is also very, very simple, unless one is determined to complicate it.
'He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities.' He we have Penal Substitution at its simplest. We deserved to be pierced; we deserved to be crushed; that should have been the penalty for our sin; but that punishment was instead willingly taken by the Lord Jesus Christ. He was our substitute. 'By His wounds we are healed.'
There was none other good enough
To pay the price of sin.
He only, could unlock the gate
Of heaven and let us in.
Or as a medieval hymnwriter puts it:
Mine, mine was the transgression,
But Thine the deadly wound.' [I added that just to show that the doctrine of Penal Substitution was alive and well before the Reformation]

The Lord Jesus, '...Poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many.' And this was not just some random bloke plucked off the street; this was God the Son - the sinless One numbered with the transgressors, bearing their sin. The seriousness with which God treats sin could not be more clearly shown that in Penal Substitution.