Pentecostal Order of Salvation

[1689Dave]

You are paining with an excessively wide brush. Not all Pentecostals "to a man" get the big stuff wrong.

If they were right, they would not be Pentecostals. They are off on everything in one way or another.

 

[1689Dave]

I don't know what churches you are talking about so I can't reply. I find myself wondering where I would be if I were a young person these days. There are not many quality Christian conferences going on these days.

Sometimes no Church is best.

 

[InTheLight]

If they were right, they would not be Pentecostals. They are off on everything in one way or another.

Wow, are you going to force me to defend Pentecostals? OK.

Are Pentecostals wrong on:

The inerrancy of the Bible?
The literal nature of the biblical accounts, like Christ's miracles?
The virgin birth of Christ?
The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ?
The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross?
The Trinity?
The existence of Heaven and Hell?

 

[Alan Gross]

Works salvation alert.

I was wondering what the WORLD was trying to be talked about, here.

"Hi, my soul has the same capability to 'work', or 'choose', or 'have faith', or 'believe', as a Laver FULL OF MY BLOOD does."

Try that.

Helpless, Helpless, Blood in a Laver.

That won't work.

 

[JonC]

We got a new pastor who graduated with a Masters degree from Liberty University. I have no issue with his doctrine or mindset. The problem is, though, the poor man has no fire on the inside. His spiritual man does not seem to possess what his mental doctrine professes! I think there is a danger these days of having a man brought up in correct doctrine, yet not having such spirituality birthed on the inside, or even... Loosing that which was first experienced!

My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you... - Galatians 4:19

Travail - ōdin - The pain of childbirth, travail pain, birth pangs, intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities precede the advent of the Messiah.

That doesn't make sense.... Isn't Liberty "the flames"?

On a more serious note, that passion cannot be taught. Too often Christians approach the ministry as a profession rather than a mission.

 

[Sai]

That doesn't make sense.... Isn't Liberty "the flames"?

On a more serious note, that passion cannot be taught. Too often Christians approach the ministry as a profession rather than a mission.

If we have not been called we are not to seek the positions of those God has called. The gift of teaching requires the gift of knowledge and in many this is obviously missing. A person may have the gift of knowledge and not have the gift of teaching, but no one can have the gift of teaching without the gift of knowledge.

 

[Sai]

If we have not been called we are not to seek the positions of those God has called. The gift of teaching requires the gift of knowledge and in many this is obviously missing. A person may have the gift of knowledge and not have the gift of teaching, but no one can have the gift of teaching without the gift of knowledge.

As a literalist I take Ephesians to mean that Christ, then apostles and prophets are the foundation “already laid.” Meaning the highest gift today is teaching. Those without this gift should not be in positions of authority that titles them as teaching elders. Everyone has a capacity to teach but the gift of teaching is the supernatural ability to turn the light on in a dimly lit room making the objects in that room vividly clear.

 

[Sai]

I would prefer the Baptist in dealing with the gifts of the Spirit above the Pentecostals. The absurdities of those who seek signs don’t require explanation from a good Baptist minister because he is a cessationist.

But I don’t agree with cessation. I simply am willing to teach that Apostleship and Prophecy have ceased and that of all of the 50 plus years of my born again experience, if seen Christians mumbling repetitive syllables, and have never once witnessed anyone use the gift of tongues anywhere on the earth.

 

[rockytopva]

That doesn't make sense.... Isn't Liberty "the flames"?

On a more serious note, that passion cannot be taught. Too often Christians approach the ministry as a profession rather than a mission.

True.... Virtue and knowledge are in two different categories.... Virtue of the spiritual heart and knowledge of the mind. St John once said....

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. - 1 John 4

Which is why I do not desire to promote any certain denomination here. It would be nice if Liberty University could see the graduates away with the correct spiritual flames as well as the degree in hand.

 

[JonC]

True.... Virtue and knowledge are in two different categories.... Virtue of the spiritual heart and knowledge of the mind. St John once said....

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. - 1 John 4

Which is why I do not desire to promote any certain denomination here. It would be nice if Liberty University could see the graduates away with the correct spiritual flames as well as the degree in hand.

I went there. We trust seminaries for education. Only God can provide the spiritual flames.

 

[rockytopva]

I went there. We trust seminaries for education. Only God can provide the spiritual flames.

I used to enjoy Jerry Falwells fireside chats with his students and would tune into Liberty University broadcasts frequently.

I posted this video after a Christmas visit...

Liberty University Bridge jumping!

 

[atpollard]

If they were right, they would not be Pentecostals. They are off on everything in one way or another.

Not on cessationism or infant baptism.

 

[atpollard]

If they were right, they would not be Pentecostals. They are off on everything in one way or another.

I have seen Pentecostals hug people in genuine friendship that most people would never touch, and the only church I was ever asked to leave because of how I was dressed was a Baptist Church (the same church that made the papers for having all the cars towed from their parking lot of the people that parked to watch a Saturday parade.)

There are some things that the Baptists, for all of their theological correctness, could learn from their “foolish” but loving and passionate Pentecostal fellow members of the Body of Christ.

 

[1689Dave]

I have seen Pentecostals hug people in genuine friendship that most people would never touch, and the only church I was ever asked to leave because of how I was dressed was a Baptist Church (the same church that made the papers for having all the cars towed from their parking lot of the people that parked to watch a Saturday parade.)

There are some things that the Baptists, for all of their theological correctness, could learn from their “foolish” but loving and passionate Pentecostal fellow members of the Body of Christ.

Love bombing works. That's how I got sucked into Pentecostalism.

 

[1689Dave]

Not on cessationism or infant baptism.

Major doctrines covered in the Ecumenical Creeds mainly.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have seen Pentecostals hug people in genuine friendship that most people would never touch, and the only church I was ever asked to leave because of how I was dressed was a Baptist Church (the same church that made the papers for having all the cars towed from their parking lot of the people that parked to watch a Saturday parade.)

There are some things that the Baptists, for all of their theological correctness, could learn from their “foolish” but loving and passionate Pentecostal fellow members of the Body of Christ.

yes, but their "love" also allows for heresy to be right there in their midst, and none oppose it!

 

[Yeshua1]

Major doctrines covered in the Ecumenical Creeds mainly.

Creeds and confessions are not inspired, only scriptures are!

 

[1689Dave]

Creeds and confessions are not inspired, only scriptures are!

Yet they encapsulate the inspired word. You write a creed every time you reflect on scripture. You contradict the Church in places. But the creeds have withstood the test of time.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yet they encapsulate the inspired word. You write a creed every time you reflect on scripture. You contradict the Church in places. But the creeds have withstood the test of time.

Still not the source of theology and doctrines!

 

[1689Dave]

Still not the source of theology and doctrines!

Prove them false or be found a liar.