Pentecostal vs Charismatic

[Salty]

When they are on TV, doing the NI&CI - I want to call in and ask them to send our (small) church $1000 seed money and then I would say I am confident that God will bless your ministry ten fold!

 

[Ascetic X]

They twist that, and say God wants you rich, and to get rich, you have to sow your seed in the kingdom. Sadly, they leave it it’s their kingdom, not God’s, they’re sowing into. Look at their mansions, suits, vehicles, private jets, &c. True story: I used to work with a lady who’s big into this. A couple years ago or so, she messaged me on FB wanting to know if they were hiring, as she needed to make extra money. I really wanted to ask her why she needed another job to make money when she had been sowing seed for years, but I didn’t. So if they name it claim it, blab it grab it, they can be rich. It’s a ponzi scheme.

That “seed money” scam really annoys me. Just looking at the freaks who preach that mammonist simony ought to be enough to repulse people, they act like idiots.

The pastors live in mansions while preaching about a homeless guy named Jesus. Our Savior walked on foot, they fly in jets.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That “seed money” scam really annoys me. Just looking at the freaks who preach that mammonist simony ought to be enough to repulse people, they act like idiots.

The pastors live in mansions while preaching about a homeless guy named Jesus. Our Savior walked on foot, they fly in jets.

That’s what I was referring to in the other post you quoted me. We need to look to the word for all our needs. It’s where our faith comes from.

 

[rockytopva]

Here is a lady in our Pentecostal Holiness church speaking in tongues.

 

[Ascetic X]

Here is a lady in our Pentecostal Holiness church speaking in tongues.

I am sorry but this sounds like made up gibberish, not any kind of language. And I hear the pastor or someone laughing at her!

I used to speak in tongues for many years, but I gave it up because it seemed fake. I think the gift of tongues can exist, but I have never heard anything that sounded authentic in any churches. People just imitate what they hear others do. So it all sounds pretty much the same.

 

[rockytopva]

I am sorry but this sounds like made up gibberish, not any kind of language. And I hear the pastor or someone laughing at her!

I used to speak in tongues for many years, but I gave it up because it seemed fake. I think the gift of tongues can exist, but I have never heard anything that sounded authentic in any churches. People just imitate what they hear others do. So it all sounds pretty much the same.

I came into a Pentecostal Holiness church in which I knew within my heart that I experienced the wonderful presence of the Holy Spirit. And it was like wow! I never had a feeling like that in all my days! But as my generation came up it was obvious that it was becoming something else. Our ministers have become more educated than they ever were but it is obvious that something very important is missing.

When we had a plating department in our facility I worked myself up to Lab Technician and worked under a chemist. This chemist was very smart, professional, decent, and very good at math. When he laid out equations he did so in very neat handwriting and there would be much activity as he turned the results of an analysis into an addition. I would take his calculations and put them in the form of visual basic functions and sub procedures.

Of all the years I worked with this man I had one opportunity to witness to him. I made my presentation while he was analyzing adhesion under a microscope in which you could hear the sounds... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! After my presentation he just continued to look under the microscope as if he ignored everything I said so I just continued in my work. Then... The scratch scratch, scratching stopped! And he speaks!

"You know what I think it is?" He says while continuing to look under the microscope... "I think it is arrogance!"

And then, without taking his eyes off the microscope, he continues his work... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! I did not reply but went about my work. I fear that much of what goes on under the guise of Christianity is more ego than anything else!

 

[Salty]

Here is a lady in our Pentecostal Holiness church speaking in tongues.

Did they forget about I Cor 14:26?

 

[rockytopva]

As far as I am concerned people do not finish their scripture reading...

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. - 1 Corinthians 14:39

There was no interpretation so the service continued into a well prepared sermon.

 

[Salty]

There was no interpretation so the service continued into a well prepared sermon.

Which means this was not Biblical Speaking in Tongues!

I wonder if the pastor mentioned that during his service?
I may not know the answer to that question -

BUT what I do know is that every person I ever spoke to about having speaking in tongues
was NOT aware of the rules of I Cor 14!

 

[rockytopva]

I would rather have no interpretation than one obviously out of the flesh.

 

[Ascetic X]

I would rather have no interpretation than one obviously out of the flesh.

I Corinthians 14:27,28

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

(1Co 14:33 KJV) For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

 

[rockytopva]

I Corinthians 14:27,28

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So... There was no interpreter... So... She kept quite... How was she supposed to know that before hand?

 

[Ascetic X]

So... There was no interpreter... So... She kept quite... How was she supposed to know that before hand?

She did not keep silent. She spoke in alleged tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:13, 16

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

 

[th1bill]

I am 81 and so very tired of Religious Christians dragging Christ through the mud to justify their tired efforts to get rich. Yashuah did not come to begin a new religion but rather, to restore Adam's offspring's relationship with Yehovah-Jira, our provider. True Christianity is a relationship with our God.

 

[Psalty]

One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.
— 1 Corinthians 14:4

You can pray in the spirit to yourself, but it will only edify yourself.

Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
— 1 Corinthians 14:13-14

One who is praying in a tongue should pray that they can interpret what God is giving them to pray. If he does, the tongue and the interpretation should be loud enough for the entire church. If no interpretation, pray in a tongue by yourself, to yourself.

For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified.
— 1 Corinthians 14:17

Again, a tongue edifies oneself without an interpretation.

In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
— Romans 8:26

Prayer in the Spirit does not have to be with a tongue. It can be with groans.

With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,
— Ephesians 6:18

Praying in the Spirit should be par for the course for Christians.

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
— Jude 20

Again, same edification as 1 Cor 14. Without interpretation, praying in the Spirit/Tongues is just building yourself up.

This is fine, but Paul would rather the whole church be built up when in a meeting:

however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
— 1 Corinthians 14:19

 

[Psalty]

(1Co 14:33 KJV) For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Yes, even if you have a prophetic word or tongues (or any other gift), you should not use it at expense of the church’s order and the flow of the body’s worship.

Why do pentecostals/charismatics not understand this? God’s Spirit submits to order… you NEVER have to use a gift at the expense of peace.

 

[atpollard]

BUT what I do know is that every person I ever spoke to about having speaking in tongues
was NOT aware of the rules of I Cor 14!

When I was an atheist, I first encountered the Gospel [not the words, but people that actually believed what they were saying was real rather than "fire insurance"] was at a Catholic Charismatic Fellowship. Just for the record, they both spoke in tongues at their worship and they DID follow the rules of 1 Corinthians 14. Speaking in tongues was 1 at a time and nothing moved forward except prayer until there was an interpretation.
[I cannot speak to the whole "real" vs "angelic" languages question ... it was not English ... I spoke English. ]

Just saying, there are some that follow the rules.

 

[atpollard]

I always found this verse fascinating ...

1 Corinthians 14:22 [NASB]
So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe.

 

[JesusFan]

One correction to the article … there are Catholic Charismatics (the article implied it was only a Protestant movement).

That is THE sign that this movement not of God, as the Holy Spirit would n ow have them stay in that Church if was really from Him