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People who don’t want the vaccine aren’t refusing it
- Thread starter Revmitchell
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There is moral pressure. By not taking the vaccine you are endangering not just yourself but everyone you come into contact with. Id you don't care if your actions result i9n someone else's dealth then gop ahead and refuse.
RipponRedeaux
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The "vaccinated" are endangering the unvaccinated. That's a fact buddy, and you know it well.
Look at the Israel data and see just how ridiculous you sound.
I am almost certain this is not true, "buddy". Please support this rather implausible claim.
And please - no posting links to wacked-out right-wing websites, overflowing with conspiracy-theory nonsense.
What, specifically, does the Israel data show?
The Israel data showed that with time the vaccines become less effective, however they do remain effective. The data showed that a third shot (they used the Pfizer shot) substantially increased effectiveness. Israel is using a booster shot.
COVID-vaccine booster shot shows promise in Israeli study
COVID-vaccine booster shot shows promise in Israeli study
This is misinformation.
Israel is giving their 3rd shot@ as a booster shot. Their medical experts have said to prepare for a 4th as they deal with varients and imply booster shots may very well continue (like our flu shots). The reason is the vacvines have proved to be effective while loosing effectiveness over time and potentially as varients arise.
Virus czar calls to begin readying for eventual 4th vaccine dose
Dave G
Well-Known Member
Apologies to all, but sometimes I see comments that I feel need to be answered by reason...
and by a little encouragement for Christians to look to their Saviour:
which is why anyone gets vaccinated in the first place, to keep from getting sick.
I'm not sure who you've been listening to, but across the spectrum of many illnesses there is very little to no danger to the vaccinated person,from an un-vaccinated person...
Especially one who has already had the illness and has anti-bodies built up in their system against it.
In addition, vaccines are not proof against illness and cannot absolutely guarantee that a person will not get sick...
They simply lessen the chances of it happening with something that the body has never been exposed to before, by "training it" to respond to the real thing when it does come along.
Finally, in the case of someone who has already had COVID-19 and survived it,
their immune system response is now at least as powerful as those who have had the vaccine, if not more.
That means that, for them, there's no reason to get vaccinated with something that isn't even stopping people from getting sick from the "delta" variant.
and by a little encouragement for Christians to look to their Saviour:
Except that if they are vaccinated, they have a much less likely chance of getting sick...
which is why anyone gets vaccinated in the first place, to keep from getting sick.
I'm not sure who you've been listening to, but across the spectrum of many illnesses there is very little to no danger to the vaccinated person,from an un-vaccinated person...
Especially one who has already had the illness and has anti-bodies built up in their system against it.
In addition, vaccines are not proof against illness and cannot absolutely guarantee that a person will not get sick...
They simply lessen the chances of it happening with something that the body has never been exposed to before, by "training it" to respond to the real thing when it does come along.
Finally, in the case of someone who has already had COVID-19 and survived it,
their immune system response is now at least as powerful as those who have had the vaccine, if not more.
That means that, for them, there's no reason to get vaccinated with something that isn't even stopping people from getting sick from the "delta" variant.
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Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Me not taking a vaccine will never result in someone's death.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
By being "frustrated" with us, and "losing patience" with us who dare not take the vaccine. Prompting our President to mandate we take it via Unconstitutional means.
That is your opinion. You do not know that.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Yes I do. Whether or not I have a vaccine has NOTHING to do with someone else dying. They don't have to go in public, they can isolate, they can take the vaccine, they can live in a bubble. It is they who decide what level of risk they want to take.
Dave G
Well-Known Member
Speaking for myself, my actions will not result in someone's death should I opt out of any medical treatment that others are getting.
For example:
Theoretically, I could be ill with say, the measles... and if a person has been vaccinated against it, they should have little to fear from me.
Now for the kicker:
If they are vaccinated against the original variant of a virus ( and I am not ), and another variant comes along...
We both get sick...don't we?
That's how virus variants work...they mutate to overcome resistance to them.
Incidentally,
Have you ever asked why they do that?
I'm sure that modern science has tried to answer that question for many years, to little avail my friend.
That aside, I might die, they might not, there are no guarantees except the Judgment.
In the meantime, so much for the vaccine which was supposed to protect people from getting sick;
It doesn't:
Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, including COVID-19 ...
Barnstable Covid-19 Outbreak: Fully Vaccinated Can Spread Coronavirus Delta Variant, Says CDC
Going deeper on the Massachusetts COVID outbreak that led to the CDC’s mask reversal - Poynter
...and that's the one that everyone is being told to get right now, and that governmental authorities in some countries are mandating ( or are threatening to mandate ).
Besides,
I'm not worried about my health, it's in the Lord's hands... and if I feel the need to get a vaccine, I'll be more than happy to avail myself of it.
If you believe that I should get vaccinated, I respect your opinion but don't have to agree with it.
Now, what should be of utmost importance to us as believers is this:
Ultimately, life and death are in the hands of the Lord ( 1 Samuel 2:6 )...
We as believers should be looking to Him first, and men last.
I do, and so far it's worked out for me very well.
I go to doctors if I feel persuaded to, and trust Him for the results.
My advice is that everyone who names the name of Christ should be looking to Him, and not to men for their safety in this life.
May God bless you sir.
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Again, this is opinion and not fact. Science points to the vaccine as helping to prevent contagen (vacvinated people can still get covid, but the vacvines do offer protection against infection).
"COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19."
COVID-19 Vaccination
You could get covid and a family member die because you are not vaccinated. I have seen this happen twice.
And they still have one of the highest Covid infection rates in the world.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Yeah, no. People will not die because of my choice to not get the vaccine no matter what you say.
Reformed1689
Well-Known Member
Vaccine proponents live in such fear. Sheesh.
Yet the serious illness among the vaccinated are much lower.