People who don’t want the vaccine aren’t refusing it

[JonC]

Seeing as how we are more protected now than the vaccinated.....

But the science says otherwise.

I asked you before, but you did not answer. I understand you do mot believe the CDC, the FDA, the AMA, etc. That is fine.

But what group of experts do you consider a reliable source? It looks like you belueve anybody who says what you want them to say.

 

[Revmitchell]

It looks like you belueve [sic] anybody who says what you want them to say.

theres another one of your personal attacks again

 

[JonC]

That's not even biblical Jon

Sure it is. Christians still suffer the consequences for their choices. My father is a Christian but he died at 51 because he smoked 3 packs a day.

Now the point about how you would feel if a loved one died from a virus you gave them is neither Biblical or unbiblical. It is an observation based on real world cases. You might not care one way or another. But often people think about the things they could have done to protect a loved one, regardless of whether it would have saved them. They know their wife or child would have had a better chance of being alive.

 

[Reformed1689]

But the science says otherwise.

I asked you before, but you did not answer. I understand you do mot believe the CDC, the FDA, the AMA, etc. That is fine.

But what group of experts do you consider a reliable source? It looks like you belueve anybody who says what you want them to say.

First off, decades of natural immunity thought to disease says so. It is common knowledge and common sense. That is how God designed us. Otherwise humanity would have been wiped out long ago.

But if you must have one of your precious organizations... Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

 

[Reformed1689]

Sure it is. Christians still suffer the consequences for their choices. My father is a Christian but he died at 51 because he smoked 3 packs a day.

Now the point about how you would feel if a loved one died from a virus you gave them is neither Biblical or unbiblical. It is an observation based on real world cases. You might not care one way or another. But often people think about the things they could have done to protect a loved one, regardless of whether it would have saved them. They know their wife or child would have had a better chance of being alive.

Everyone is already appointed a time to die.

 

[JonC]

theres another one of your personal attacks again

No. This is an observation - and it applies to you as well.

Scientists do not operate in a vacuum. I provided the organizations I use as sources (the CDC, the FDA, the AMA....with the moon landing, NASA, with a spherical earth, NOAA).

But you and others only cherry pick people who say what you want them to say.

What organizations do you find reputable?

 

[Wingman68]

No. This is an observation - and it applies to you as well.

Scientists do not operate in a vacuum. I provided the organizations I use as sources (the CDC, the FDA, the AMA....with the moon landing, NASA, with a spherical earth, NOAA).

But you and others only cherry pick people who say what you want them to say.

What organizations do you find reputable?

So, provide me with how the asymptomatic vaxxed cannot transmit covid but the asymptomatic unvaxxed do.

 

[Reformed1689]

No. This is an observation - and it applies to you as well.

Scientists do not operate in a vacuum. I provided the organizations I use as sources (the CDC, the FDA, the AMA....with the moon landing, NASA, with a spherical earth, NOAA).

But you and others only cherry pick people who say what you want them to say.

What organizations do you find reputable?

Also COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease | Emory University | Atlanta, GA

 

[Reformed1689]

Scientists do not operate in a vacuum.

Fauci does. His head is in a different universe.

 

[JonC]

First off, decades of natural immunity thought to disease says so. It is common knowledge and common sense. That is how God designed us. Otherwise humanity would have been wiped out long ago.

But if you must have one of your precious organizations... Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19 | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

This is an almost year old article. Since then scientific studies have proven otherwise (at least with varients).

@Reynolds had covid twice. I work with a woman who did as well (the second ho around was worse than the first).

What science has shown is covid survicers have more antibodies but the virus itself diminishes t-cells where the vaccine increases t-cells. A study showed that the vaccine is better equipped to fight off varients than natural immunity.

 

[Reformed1689]

What science has shown is covid survicers have more antibodies but the virus itself diminishes t-cells where the vaccine increases t-cells. A study showed that the vaccine is better equipped to fight off varients than natural immunity.

Whatever Jon. You asked for science I give it to you and you scoff. It is pointless to have a conversation with someone so brainwashed.

 

[JonC]

Also COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease | Emory University | Atlanta, GA

Now this makes sence. Severe covid cases having better natural immunity than mild cases.

 

[JonC]

Whatever Jon.

Yea....I know..."science? We don't need no sticking science"

 

[JonC]

So, provide me with how the asymptomatic vaxxed cannot transmit covid but the asymptomatic unvaxxed do.

I don't see any indication that asymptomatic people, vaccinated or unvaccinated, can spread covid.

It's the ones with mild symptoms that they do not identify as covid that are a concern.

 

[Reformed1689]

I don't see any indication that asymptomatic people, vaccinated or unvaccinated, can spread covid.

It's the ones with mild symptoms that they do not identify as covid that are a concern.

How to Protect Yourself & Others | CDC

 

[JonC]

Whatever Jon. You asked for science I give it to you and you scoff. It is pointless to have a conversation with someone so brainwashed.

You gave me an almost year old article.

I did not ask you for science (this is a false statement).

I asked you what scientific organizations you find credible because it seems like you just listen to people who say what you want to hear.

So I ask again, what organizations do you find credible?

 

[JonC]

How to Protect Yourself & Others | CDC

Good advice. Are you saying you now belueve the CDC? Good for you!

 

[Reformed1689]

You gave me an almost year old article.

I did not ask you for science (this is a false statement).

I asked you what scientific organizations you find credible because it seems like you just listen to people who say what you want to hear.

So I ask again, what organizations do you find credible?

I read extensively Jon. But the organizations you trust often contradict themselves.

 

[Reformed1689]

Good advice. Are you saying you now belueve the CDC? Good for you!

[/ Quote] John you said that you did not know of any indication that asymptomatic people could spread the virus. I gave you an organization that you trust that states otherwise.

 

[Wingman68]

Well, Duh. This Is Why It Was Stupid

This guy gets it. He ticks off every box.

Here is a portion for those who don’t like links:

If you get Covid and beat it since the point of entry is your respiratory mucosa you have strong and broad resistance focused there. That's sterilizing in more than 9 out of 10 persons and far more-durable than jab-based immunity as well. That is what the data tells us.

It is wildly superior to a non-sterilizing vaccine because you are not only very unlikely to get the virus again you are also nearly-certain to be unable to infect anyone else if you do. This and only this is what cuts off mutational pressure.

It's too late now; we're stuck with the stupid, particularly all the screaming harpies who went out and got jabbed despite being at very low risk of serious outcomes themselves, turning themselves into literal gain-of-function labs for the virus. If you took the jab, in short, unless you were at very high risk and thus it was justified on a personal mitigation basis you are, in fact, part of the body of individuals that are placing evolutionary pressure on the virus to evolve and ultimately evade the protection and screw not just others but you as well.

Those who are claiming "well, I got jabbed, I got infected, but it would have been much worse if I didn't get jabbed" are the worst of the psychotics. First, the majority of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic according to the CDC itself. Indeed they claim at least six people get infected for each detected infection. You may well have moved yourself from "I sneezed" to "I got pretty da**** sick" by taking the shot. You don't know. But worse is that by taking the jab and then getting infected anyway you have now not just become a potential mutational factory you are one of the people causing what will ultimately become viral escape and the screwing of yourself and othersbecause by definition if you got sick after vaccination the virus got into your system, it has now proved whatever occurred in you evaded the protection you had and then was emitted back out where others can catch it from you after that evasion took place.

You were either the mutational factory or an intermediate host that screws the next person you share the love with!

Not only did your protection against fail but, much worse, it's possible that said screwing will be enhanced by whatever residual antibody titer you may have since binding antibodies, if present (and which you intentionally put into your system) will still be present. Even more-seriously you put the spike protein and thus the antibody response not in your nose and throat but in your blood vessels and other organs where they can cause the exact disease progression that occurs when Covid-19 kills people. If you get a "break though" infection I hope you have your d-Dimer levels immediately checked because if not you may be a walking heart attack or stroke somewhere in the not-so-distant future with no other warning as a direct result of intentionally loading your body full of "protection" in the wrong place.