What do you expect by throwing trollish questions around?
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Perishing without having ever heard the gospel they end up in....
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Then you should have read my first reply to the thread. You then asked me personally.
I read it. You speak of the bible 'seems', then next you say you don't know. Anyway, I assumed I was engaging a Christian and their personal opinion must be what they deem biblical.
Thank you for your response sir
*Eye roll*
It'd really help if you answered the poll question after reading OP.
Asking your own questions while sidestepping the OP borders on spamming.
Are they rhetorical or are they answers? Or, are you trying to get clarification?
You're saying by paying close attention to nature one can come to the 'formula for immortality' laid out in Ro 10:9-10? All one needs to do is tune themselves into nature and choose wisely, right? Anybody can do it, right?
Well, actually, since Daniel was made dean of the Magi college some years before this they almost certainly had something to go on from there.
I followed your instructions:
My choice was not included within the poll:
What's your answer?
God knows those who are His, and stand they will in the judgement.
Are you His?
That question is not in the poll, you know.
Neither merces letifer.
Reason I asked is your answer seems to suggest that it's up to God. In other words mystery.
But you don't think it's up to him as far as you are concerned. You know or you reckon yourself as His. Means humans can know what God knows at least in part.
If you are clueless as to the fate of these men, just say so. Telling me God knows is truism..It's obvious, I'm not asking if God knows, I'm asking you
Absolutely!
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1
Absolutely it's up to God. Man is totally passive.
Yeah! Mystery!
7...It behoveth you to be born from above;
8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3
Can't get much more mysterious than that. Ya just never know about that Spirit!
Next time somebody asks you where you are going when you due, repeat this
So, you tell me, what part does man have in bringing about this heavenly birth?
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1
What part did you have in bringing about your earthly birth?
All humans are rebels to God and His Kingdom. We are like ISIS. We kill, destroy and mistreat our fellow rebels. We are like filthy rags in God's eyes.
Since we are so vile, it means that God is not obligated to be merciful and gracious to any of us. His just response to our rebellious spirit is to utterly condemn us to hell for eternity.
Yet, God does choose to be gracious. His grace is extended not base upon the good works of the rebel. No, we are and will always be filthy rags apart from God's grace. His grace is extended to whom He chooses and He gives us no insight into the decision process that He makes. God is Sovereign. He is not obligated to explain His rationale for His choices. He chooses because He can.
We either accept God's rightful authority or we continue in our rebellion, casting curses upon God and blaming Him for our evil spirit. These are our options, just as Job and his wife demonstrated in Job 2.
God, is therefore just in casting all humanity into the pit. It is only by grace that we are saved.
Since we are so vile, it means that God is not obligated to be merciful and gracious to any of us. His just response to our rebellious spirit is to utterly condemn us to hell for eternity.
Yet, God does choose to be gracious. His grace is extended not base upon the good works of the rebel. No, we are and will always be filthy rags apart from God's grace. His grace is extended to whom He chooses and He gives us no insight into the decision process that He makes. God is Sovereign. He is not obligated to explain His rationale for His choices. He chooses because He can.
We either accept God's rightful authority or we continue in our rebellion, casting curses upon God and blaming Him for our evil spirit. These are our options, just as Job and his wife demonstrated in Job 2.
God, is therefore just in casting all humanity into the pit. It is only by grace that we are saved.
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Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
It is not only by Grace that we are saved it is by faith that we even have Grace. Grace always comes through faith.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
There you have proof that Grace can only be had through faith. This means you have to believe in Jesus before you ever get any Grace.
MB
Yet scripture clearly says;
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
It is not only by Grace that we are saved it is by faith that we even have Grace. Grace always comes through faith.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
There you have proof that Grace can only be had through faith. This means you have to believe in Jesus before you ever get any Grace.
MB
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Next time somebody asks you where you are going when you due, repeat this
Simply wrong it Comes from hearing the gospel.
Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
MB
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