Pet Peeve on the BB

[agedman]

Pet peeve on the BB: Plagiarism. This occurs all the time here. If you quote someone without sourcing, certainly without giving the source's name, you are plagiarizing, and that is not only unethical, it is against the law. To be blunt: If you quote someone without sourcing, you are stealing!

Here in our college, and I would think every Christian college, you can be kicked out if the plagiarism is bad enough.

Now, John,

Can you recall a single original thought? I'm too old to remember any.

The greatest compliment on can give is to be copied.

Musicians, artists, craftsmen, all learn by doing it.

Soldiers, sailors, politicians all perform to that standard.

Preachers, teachers, and evangelists all do it, and are esteemed in their office.

Even Paul encouraged the followers to plagiarize him (or is that too strong a term in Corinthians).

I would rather the student be complimented on thinking so highly of whom they copied that they would desire to emulate that persons thoughts, and encourage that student to be better serve other by stating whom they copied so that more would benefit by such wisdom.








The above is given somewhat tongue in check.

 

[Revmitchell]

Pet peeve on the BB: Plagiarism. This occurs all the time here. If you quote someone without sourcing, certainly without giving the source's name, you are plagiarizing, and that is not only unethical, it is against the law. To be blunt: If you quote someone without sourcing, you are stealing!

Here in our college, and I would think every Christian college, you can be kicked out if the plagiarism is bad enough.

Or even called a plagiarizer simply by mis-formatting the source incorrectly according to the style you have been assigned.

 

[agedman]

There is one that I see so common, but just grates my very innards.

When a person uses the phrases, "each and every."

If I present to each it is to every. I don't have to think of myself so highly as to use the word each if I say every or every if I use each.

I'm at the point to where it is as offensive as listening to the poor grammar used by news broadcasters and actors. Especially those who don't use the proper form of the adverb. Leaving an "ly" off a word that needs it is especial uneducated.

 

[JonC]

Or even called a plagiarizer simply by mis-formatting the source incorrectly according to the style you have been assigned.

Something like this happened to me in seminary. I paraphrased someone, gave the source (correctly formatted, I might add) but was threatened to be kicked out of the class for plagiarism because the sentence was too close to a quote (I should have quoted the source or altered it more). My least favorite professor at the beginning (I insisted it wasn't plagiarism), but I learned a lot from him and we corresponded for a few years after I graduated.

 

[tyndale1946]

What is a peeve, and why would anyone desire to pet it?

I know one thing these peeves have teeth and they bite... I'm not petting one!... Brother Glen

 

[TCassidy]

There is one that I see so common, but just grates my very innards.

When a person uses the phrases, "each and every."

I agree! Each and every time he posts I . . . . Uh, well, never mind.

 

[Rob_BW]

Pelagian plagiarizers are especially peeve worthy. Sorry, I've never met a theological pun I didn't like.


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Alliteration always aggravates all adult audiences.

 

[JonC]

Alliteration always aggravates all adult audiences.

Because boisterous bragging boosts bad behavior.

 

[TCassidy]

Alliteration always aggravates all adult audiences.

Absolutely!

 

[TCassidy]

Because boisterous bragging boosts bad behavior.

Baloney!

 

[John of Japan]

Or even called a plagiarizer simply by mis-formatting the source incorrectly according to the style you have been assigned.

Sorry, but I don't buy that. It's very easy to source a post. Simply write the book (magazine, article) and author's name at the end of your post. Then take five seconds to look at what you have posted to see if it came out okay. If not, take ten seconds to correct it.

 

[John of Japan]

Now, John,

Can you recall a single original thought? I'm too old to remember any.

The greatest compliment on can give is to be copied.

Musicians, artists, craftsmen, all learn by doing it.

Soldiers, sailors, politicians all perform to that standard.

Preachers, teachers, and evangelists all do it, and are esteemed in their office.

Forgive me, but I don't see your point. Plagiarism is quoting someone else or using their idea without telling where you got it. It is not simply copying someone's actions. Plagiarism is strictly involved with the written language, not actions.

Even Paul encouraged the followers to plagiarize him (or is that too strong a term in Corinthians).

Yes, it is too strong a term. Paul never encouraged anyone to quote his written works without sourcing them.

I would rather the student be complimented on thinking so highly of whom they copied that they would desire to emulate that persons thoughts, and encourage that student to be better serve other by stating whom they copied so that more would benefit by such wisdom.

I would rather the student learn honesty and integrity in their writing. If a student thinks highly of a source, then telling who the source is should be as natural as combing one's hair.

The above is given somewhat tongue in check.

1. Take tongue out of cheek (can't talk that way).
2. Look up plagiarism in a good dictionary.

 

[Revmitchell]

Sorry, but I don't buy that. It's very easy to source a post. Simply write the book (magazine, article) and author's name at the end of your post. Then take five seconds to look at what you have posted to see if it came out okay. If not, take ten seconds to correct it.

Not sure what you don't buy but formatting is not that simple and it varies depending on which format is called for I.e. MLA, APA, or Turabian.

 

[InTheLight]

Or even called a plagiarizer simply by mis-formatting the source incorrectly according to the style you have been assigned.

Who gets assigned styles on BB? Am I missing something?

 

[JonC]

Who gets assigned styles on BB? Am I missing something?

I'm assigned Turabian. Calvinists use MLA and Arminians use APA.
Hyper free-will folk do what ever they want.

 

[John of Japan]

Not sure what you don't buy but formatting is not that simple and it varies depending on which format is called for I.e. MLA, APA, or Turabian.

I'm not talking about formatting for a college paper (we use Turabian for that here at my college), but simply giving the author, work, and page number for the BB. This is how I've sourced here on the BB since I joined in 2005, and no one has ever criticized this method.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm not talking about formatting for a college paper (we use Turabian for that here at my college), but simply giving the author, work, and page number for the BB. This is how I've sourced here on the BB since I joined in 2005, and no one has ever criticized this method.

I was talking about the accusation being made while I was in school for that reason not on this board

 

[John of Japan]

I was talking about the accusation being made while I was in school for that reason not on this board

Okay, got it.

 

[TCassidy]

I have been accused of plagiarism twice. Once when somebody quoted me quoting someone else and left the attribution off the quote.

The second time was in class when I quoted an author without identifying the author. A student pointed out the fact I was quoting someone. He was right. I asked him if he knew who the author was. He said he would check. (Hint: I was the author.) He apologized before the entire class the next day.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

There is one that I see so common, but just grates my very innards.

When a person uses the phrases, "each and every."

If I present to each it is to every. I don't have to think of myself so highly as to use the word each if I say every or every if I use each.

I'm at the point to where it is as offensive as listening to the poor grammar used by news broadcasters and actors. Especially those who don't use the proper form of the adverb. Leaving an "ly" off a word that needs it is especial uneducated.

Emphasis through redundancy. Does not bother me, though I can see where it could grate on one's nerves, especially if used repeatedly. (Repeated redundancy?) However, I also see a whisker of difference, to me, anyway: "each" appears to consider things one at a time, "every" as a group.