Pete Buttigie Presidential Candidate, what is a Christian to do?

[Hobie]

Lets just take what we have on this presidential candidate...
"Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg[1] (/ˈbuːtəˌdʒɛdʒ/ BOOT-ə-jehj;[2][3] born January 19, 1982) is an American politician, former Mayor of South Bend, Indiana and candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 United States presidential election.

Buttigieg launched his campaign for the 2020 United States presidential election on April 14, 2019, after forming an exploratory committee in January.[7][8] He became the first openly gay person to seek the Democratic nomination.[9]... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

The Bible is clear on this issue as we see the clear context of what it is saying...
Leviticus 18:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

So what is the path a Christian should take in accordance with the Bible.

 

[Reformed]

So what is the path a Christian should take in accordance with the Bible.

Simple. Do not vote for him.

 

[Reynolds]

Lets just take what we have on this presidential candidate...
"Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg[1] (/ˈbuːtəˌdʒɛdʒ/ BOOT-ə-jehj;[2][3] born January 19, 1982) is an American politician, former Mayor of South Bend, Indiana and candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 United States presidential election.

Buttigieg launched his campaign for the 2020 United States presidential election on April 14, 2019, after forming an exploratory committee in January.[7][8] He became the first openly gay person to seek the Democratic nomination.[9]... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

The Bible is clear on this issue as we see the clear context of what it is saying...
Leviticus 18:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

So what is the path a Christian should take in accordance with the Bible.

Why would a Christian even contemplate voting for that pervert?

 

[StefanM]

Honestly, I don't think it's that big of a deal in terms of politics. As I've heard many times, you're not voting for a pastor. You're voting for a President. From the other side, one could recite a list of sins that President Trump commits or has committed also.

I definitely won't be voting for Buttigieg because I strongly disagree with many of his political views, particularly on abortion and religious freedom.

I don't know if I'll be voting for Trump (I will write in a name or something if I don't--I won't be voting for the Democrat), but I would much rather have Trump's policies than Buttigieg's policies.

If the choice were between Buttigieg as a pro-life, religious freedom protecting, generally conservative candidate and Trump as a hardcore pro-abortion and anti-religious freedom candidate, I would be inclined to support Buttigieg.

Of course, that kind of scenario won't be happening anytime soon. Republicans are highly unlikely to nominate anyone LGBT (etc.) in anywhere close to the near future. And if the Democrats nominate someone, they'll lose my vote because of the positions the party has.

 

[Yeshua1]

Simple. Do not vote for him.

Some will though, as they drank the kool aid about God supporting "committed relationships", regardless of sex!

 

[Yeshua1]

Why would a Christian even contemplate voting for that pervert?

Well, many voted for President Obama, and His policies and agendas were pretty much anti christisan!

 

[Yeshua1]

Honestly, I don't think it's that big of a deal in terms of politics. As I've heard many times, you're not voting for a pastor. You're voting for a President. From the other side, one could recite a list of sins that President Trump commits or has committed also.

I definitely won't be voting for Buttigieg because I strongly disagree with many of his political views, particularly on abortion and religious freedom.

I don't know if I'll be voting for Trump (I will write in a name or something if I don't--I won't be voting for the Democrat), but I would much rather have Trump's policies than Buttigieg's policies.

If the choice were between Buttigieg as a pro-life, religious freedom protecting, generally conservative candidate and Trump as a hardcore pro-abortion and anti-religious freedom candidate, I would be inclined to support Buttigieg.

Of course, that kind of scenario won't be happening anytime soon. Republicans are highly unlikely to nominate anyone LGBT (etc.) in anywhere close to the near future. And if the Democrats nominate someone, they'll lose my vote because of the positions the party has.

Need to do what you did here, and get past his agy marriage, and focus on his views in regards to the issues, and pretty bad, as basically liberal !
he is the one bring upGod and Bible, as he claims that he is in will and love of God being married to another man!

 

[Hobie]

Honestly, I don't think it's that big of a deal in terms of politics. As I've heard many times, you're not voting for a pastor. You're voting for a President. From the other side, one could recite a list of sins that President Trump commits or has committed also.

I definitely won't be voting for Buttigieg because I strongly disagree with many of his political views, particularly on abortion and religious freedom.

I don't know if I'll be voting for Trump (I will write in a name or something if I don't--I won't be voting for the Democrat), but I would much rather have Trump's policies than Buttigieg's policies.

If the choice were between Buttigieg as a pro-life, religious freedom protecting, generally conservative candidate and Trump as a hardcore pro-abortion and anti-religious freedom candidate, I would be inclined to support Buttigieg.

Of course, that kind of scenario won't be happening anytime soon. Republicans are highly unlikely to nominate anyone LGBT (etc.) in anywhere close to the near future. And if the Democrats nominate someone, they'll lose my vote because of the positions the party has.

So do the morals of a Presidential Candidate matter, or does a Christian just vote with no regard for the moral standards and values of the Candidate?

 

[StefanM]

Well, many voted for President Obama, and His policies and agendas were pretty much anti christisan!

The current crop of Democrats makes Obama seem center-left in comparison. That doesn't mean Obama deserved to be supported, but the 2020 round of Democrats is very liberal.

 

[Yeshua1]

The current crop of Democrats makes Obama seem center-left in comparison. That doesn't mean Obama deserved to be supported, but the 2020 round of Democrats is very liberal.

see view on abortion, as mother can decide to kill up to even time of birth!

 

[just-want-peace]

I remember I thought that it was great when Carter was elected since he was an avid Christian (?), even if he was a Democrat.
Didn't take long before HE almost made me not to ever want a Christian in the WH again.
While he MAY have been a true Christian (I have no real idea), he WAS undoubtedly the worst POTUS for the USA in my lifetime (nee 1936) to that point.
I will vote for the man that I feel best represents MY beliefs & interest, & expect everybody else to do the same.
I am not voting for a religious position, so many negatives I can overlook - doesn't mean that I accept them, but that his good points outweigh his negatives, IMHO.

Incidentally, in all honesty I cannot remember whether I actually voted FOR him or not --- or if I was so disappointed I blocked it from my memory!!??

 

[StefanM]

So do the morals of a Presidential Candidate matter, or does a Christian just vote with no regard for the moral standards and values of the Candidate?

Please note that what I'm writing is from someone who has been very critical of Trump from the beginning, partly due to moral concerns. So I am very sympathetic to a position that values morals highly.

That being said, it's a matter of degree. Based on what I've seen in politics, I generally assume that politicians are disingenuous, amoral (at best) or immoral, power-hungry people motivated in large part by self-interest. You don't generally rise to the top tier of American politics without at least going into some gray areas.

I'm not saying to ignore morals at all. They should be considered. But they should be considered in light of every other factor, including the morals of the other option.

Hypothetically speaking--- A seemingly nice, well-spoken man who is the paragon of marital fidelity to his wife but who supports the slaughter of babies until birth is not a preferable option to a significantly morally flawed LGBT (etc) candidate who supports stopping the slaughter of those babies.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please note that what I'm writing is from someone who has been very critical of Trump from the beginning, partly due to moral concerns. So I am very sympathetic to a position that values morals highly.

That being said, it's a matter of degree. Based on what I've seen in politics, I generally assume that politicians are disingenuous, amoral (at best) or immoral, power-hungry people motivated in large part by self-interest. You don't generally rise to the top tier of American politics without at least going into some gray areas.

I'm not saying to ignore morals at all. They should be considered. But they should be considered in light of every other factor, including the morals of the other option.

Hypothetically speaking--- A seemingly nice, well-spoken man who is the paragon of marital fidelity to his wife but who supports the slaughter of babies until birth is not a preferable option to a significantly morally flawed LGBT (etc) candidate who supports stopping the slaughter of those babies.

President Obama referred to Himself as being a Christian, and yet his policies and agenda most anti Christ of any president, and trumps so far done more to advance the positions of Christ in many ways!
And people keep bring up trump morals, are not majority of those problems from several years before, not recently?

 

[Hobie]

Please note that what I'm writing is from someone who has been very critical of Trump from the beginning, partly due to moral concerns. So I am very sympathetic to a position that values morals highly.

That being said, it's a matter of degree. Based on what I've seen in politics, I generally assume that politicians are disingenuous, amoral (at best) or immoral, power-hungry people motivated in large part by self-interest. You don't generally rise to the top tier of American politics without at least going into some gray areas.

I'm not saying to ignore morals at all. They should be considered. But they should be considered in light of every other factor, including the morals of the other option.

Hypothetically speaking--- A seemingly nice, well-spoken man who is the paragon of marital fidelity to his wife but who supports the slaughter of babies until birth is not a preferable option to a significantly morally flawed LGBT (etc) candidate who supports stopping the slaughter of those babies.

Well I was reading a history of the American Presidents, and I kept seeing over and over how they looked for a candidate with values of honesty, good morals and ethics. The only deviation seemed to be the heroes such as Ulysses Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, etc.. which appealed more to the ideals of courage, achievement or have qualities we admire.

So have we just dropped all of that and picked according to who we hate, and want to bring down.

 

[StefanM]

President Obama referred to Himself as being a Christian, and yet his policies and agenda most anti Christ of any president, and trumps so far done more to advance the positions of Christ in many ways!
And people keep bring up trump morals, are not majority of those problems from several years before, not recently?

If you're thinking of sexual sins, yes. But I don't think many people would hold up Trump in the present day as an example to emulate. His Twitter account speaks for itself in that regard.

 

[StefanM]

Well I was reading a history of the American Presidents, and I kept seeing over and over how they looked for a candidate with values of honesty, good morals and ethics. The only deviation seemed to be the heroes such as Ulysses Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, etc.. which appealed more to the ideals of courage, achievement or have qualities we admire.

So have we just dropped all of that and picked according to who we hate, and want to bring down.

IMO, American politics in general and the Presidency in particular have now shifted far away from those notions.

 

[Hobie]

IMO, American politics in general and the Presidency in particular have now shifted far away from those notions.

So that in part is what I am asking on this thread, how does a Christian do to help bring it back to good moral and ethical levels.

 

[StefanM]

So that in part is what I am asking on this thread, how does a Christian do to help bring it back to good moral and ethical levels.

This election cycle? You can't.

In future election cycles, you have to take care of that in the primaries. Even then, there has to be someone who is willing and able to run who also reflects those values. And that person also has to be a viable candidate in a primary election.

It might happen, but I'm not optimistic in the short term. For conservative evangelicals, the GOP can basically assume that their votes will go to the GOP candidate as long as he/she takes pro-life and pro-faith positions in policy. The Democratic party is going to nominate someone who rejects those policies, so the GOP knows there really isn't anywhere else to go.

So the person has to win in the primaries. That's the only time you can really make a difference, IMO.

 

[Yeshua1]

If you're thinking of sexual sins, yes. But I don't think many people would hold up Trump in the present day as an example to emulate. His Twitter account speaks for itself in that regard.

I would think many of the same was said about harry Truman or a teddy Roosevelt, as both spoke their minds!

 

[Hobie]

This election cycle? You can't.

In future election cycles, you have to take care of that in the primaries. Even then, there has to be someone who is willing and able to run who also reflects those values. And that person also has to be a viable candidate in a primary election.

It might happen, but I'm not optimistic in the short term. For conservative evangelicals, the GOP can basically assume that their votes will go to the GOP candidate as long as he/she takes pro-life and pro-faith positions in policy. The Democratic party is going to nominate someone who rejects those policies, so the GOP knows there really isn't anywhere else to go.

So the person has to win in the primaries. That's the only time you can really make a difference, IMO.

Well look at American history and history in general and you see that many waves of emotional or angry responses to events have come about, but they eventually fade and come back to a more normal level. But it seems that there is a fuel feeding this fire even more so than what weve had before. I feel that a deep evil has grabbed a hold of the American people and even Christians and no one seems to want to stop or even turn away from it.