pictures of a brain with mental illness for fred

[Steadfast Fred]

Not a troll at all. why do you guys continue to falsely accuse me?

 

[Arbo]

Evidence, troll.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Dr. Jay Giedd, chief of brain imaging in the child psychiatry branch at the National Institute of Mental Health, agrees with me... as do many other reputable physicians.

So it matters not that someone who has no degree in the medical field disagrees with me or not.

How do you know if I have a degree or a few of them....simple answer is you dont know. Here is what I know though, you enjoy trying to aggravate people & you yourself are clearly obsessive...probably delusional & we all know that your opinionated because you have displayed that side of yourself in here. Rattling this guy is just pathetic & contemptible. You need to look inward & perhaps ask yourself if Christ would act the same.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I have studied many years to get to where I am today. Perhaps if you studied medicine and the medical field as long as I have you would come to the same conclusions I have.

As to proof, I have posted enough proof. Where is your proof? So far, all I have seen is denials and accusations.

Where is your documented proof of chemical imbalance in the brain?
Where is your documented proof of lab tests proving mental illness?

 

[agedman]

Not a troll at all. why do you guys continue to falsely accuse me?

Maybe because you so easily set your self up!

You should provide the documentation of your own "expertize" of your own "experience" and then perhaps we might think of you more than just a puffed up want-a-be.

One certificate, in which you didn't even identify doesn't mean you are educated and unbiased in your approach to the mental health field.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

How do you know if I have a degree or a few of them....simple answer is you dont know. Here is what I know though, you enjoy trying to aggravate people & you yourself are clearly obsessive...probably delusional & we all know that your opinionated because you have displayed that side of yourself in here. Rattling this guy is just pathetic & contemptible. You need to look inward & perhaps ask yourself if Christ would act the same.

I did not start the conversation between seekingthetruth and myself. He/she came in and started that conversation by asking me the question "what about lithium?"

I posted the possible effects of lithium and seeking blasted me without cause.

Seems to be a norm though

 

[Arbo]

Here is what I know though, you enjoy trying to aggravate people & you yourself are clearly obsessive...probably delusional & we all know that your opinionated because you have displayed that side of yourself in here. Rattling this guy is just pathetic & contemptible. You need to look inward & perhaps ask yourself if Christ would act the same.

Got it in one.:thumbsup:

I see SF as a bully who has his own issues, one of which is a lack of christian compassion.

 

[Amy.G]

New York Times has an interesting article called "Can Brain Scans See Depression?"

Interestingly enough, a Dr Giedd, who works at the National Institute of Mental Health, reveals that after 10 years of scanning hundreds of brains he is beginning to have his doubts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/health/psychology/18imag.html?pagewanted=all

I cannot believe a Christian can be so insensitive. My first experience with depression was my father. He had a heart attack at age 48 which resulted in open heart surgery. They tried a new procedure using the arteries in his arm instead of the leg. This was in 1974, I was 15 yrs old.
Six months after his quadruple bypass surgery, it had to be redone and he had open heart surgery AGAIN. After the 2nd one he became very depressed and would just sit and cry. I had never seen my father cry until then. He healed and went back to work, but several years later, he had have ANOTHER bypass operation and became depressed after that one too. Then a few years later he had another heart attack and became so depressed that he could barely get out of bed.
The dr's told us that it was because of the physical trauma to his body from the surgery and the heart attacks. It affects the chemicals in the brain and causes depression.
So there ARE plenty of valid reasons for mental disorders that are rooted in physical problems. Extreme stress can cause depression too.

YOU need to back off and examine your own illness, which as ABC said is of the heart. But surgery won't cure you.

 

[Fred's Wife]

seekingthetruth, Arbo and others who are on the "warpath":

When you guys can't "prove" your case, then the next thing you do is to resort to ad hominem attacks....falsely accusing Steadfast Fred of being a "troll". If you can "prove" your case with some documented facts and cases that will prove Steadfast Fred incorrect (instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks), then he will gladly admit he is incorrect. Unproved "claims" are not documented proof.

Mental illness is a myth....the mind does not get a "disease" All he is attempted to share is that psychotropic drugs are very addictive and have some very dangerous side effects. He never said anyone was sinning because they took psychotropic (mind altering) drugs...and never told anyone to stop taking their psychotropic medications they are already taking.

Watch some of those videos he has posted before making more false accusations.

 

[Gina B]

Food has side effects too: http://www.dumblittleman.com/2007/11/10-food-side-effects-you-may-not-know.html

 

[annsni]

Lithium is in the class of psychotropic medications.

I will not recommend it or any other drugs that have the capability of causing hallucinations.

I took an antibiotic that caused hallucinations. Does that mean I shouldn't take antibiotics?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I cannot believe a Christian can be so insensitive. My first experience with depression was my father. He had a heart attack at age 48 which resulted in open heart surgery. They tried a new procedure using the arteries in his arm instead of the leg. This was in 1974, I was 15 yrs old.
Six months after his quadruple bypass surgery, it had to be redone and he had open heart surgery AGAIN. After the 2nd one he became very depressed and would just sit and cry. I had never seen my father cry until then. He healed and went back to work, but several years later, he had have ANOTHER bypass operation and became depressed after that one too. Then a few years later he had another heart attack and became so depressed that he could barely get out of bed.
The dr's told us that it was because of the physical trauma to his body from the surgery and the heart attacks. It affects the chemicals in the brain and causes depression.
So there ARE plenty of valid reasons for mental disorders that are rooted in physical problems. Extreme stress can cause depression too.

YOU need to back off and examine your own illness, which as ABC said is of the heart. But surgery won't cure you.

I am not denying that your father had bouts of depression, AmyG.

But whatever doctor told you that it was caused by chemical imbalance was wrong to tell you that. There are no tests to prove a 'chemical imbalance' in the brain whatsoever. Many leading doctors have stated these facts in medical journals. I am curious how the doctor came to the conclusion that your dad had a 'chemical imbalance'?

Insensitivity has nothing whatsover to do with my speaking the truth concerning the 'chemical imbalance' fabrication.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I took an antibiotic that caused hallucinations. Does that mean I shouldn't take antibiotics?

Which antibiotic was that, may I ask?

 

[Amy.G]

I am not denying that your father had bouts of depression, AmyG.

But whatever doctor told you that it was caused by chemical imbalance was wrong to tell you that. There are no tests to prove a 'chemical imbalance' in the brain whatsoever. Many leading doctors have stated these facts in medical journals. I am curious how the doctor came to the conclusion that your dad had a 'chemical imbalance'?

Insensitivity has nothing whatsover to do with my speaking the truth concerning the 'chemical imbalance' fabrication.

Then what do you think caused his depression? Isn't it obvious that his heart attacks and surgeries caused something in his brain to get out of whack? He never had depression during any other times, no matter what else in his life was going on.

 

[nodak]

Fred, the Bible teaches of chemical imbalances tangentally.

It refers to emotion as seated in the bowels, as in bowels of mercy, etc.

Are you aware chemical imbalance affects the whole body?

Do you know that serotonin is used in gut as well as the brain, and that the gut is a good marker for chemical imbalance?

Depression isn't diagnosed just because someone is very sad.

It is a whole constellation of physical symptoms.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Then what do you think caused his depression? Isn't it obvious that his heart attacks and surgeries caused something in his brain to get out of whack? He never had depression during any other times, no matter what else in his life was going on.

I have seen many go into bouts of depression after surgery. It is not an uncommon occurrence. And I know it is hard to see a family member go through depression.

But believe me, if not me, believe Dr Jay Giedd and other psychiatric doctors who confess that they have never been able to prove that a 'chemical imbalance' truly exists. Dr Giedd has scanned brains for over a decade for the National Institute of Mental Health. I would think he would know if such a 'chemical imbalance' actually existed.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Fred, the Bible teaches of chemical imbalances tangentally.

It refers to emotion as seated in the bowels, as in bowels of mercy, etc.

Are you aware chemical imbalance affects the whole body?

Do you know that serotonin is used in gut as well as the brain, and that the gut is a good marker for chemical imbalance?

Depression isn't diagnosed just because someone is very sad.

It is a whole constellation of physical symptoms.

The Bible does not say anything about a chemical imbalance of the brain, nodak. Not even the modern Bibles that are on the shelf today.

I am well aware of serotonin levels and tests that have been done trying to prove 'chemical imbalance'. The claim that low serotonin causes chemical imbalance is proven faulty just by the fact that national tests have proven that there are people who get depressed whose seratonin and norepinephrine levels are high and others whose levels are low. Obversely, there are documented tests where some who have very low serotonin and norephrine levels never experienced any amount of depression during those times when their levels were low.

 

[agedman]

Then what do you think caused his depression? Isn't it obvious that his heart attacks and surgeries caused something in his brain to get out of whack? He never had depression during any other times, no matter what else in his life was going on.

Many if not most find that the mind is effected after a heart attack.

Depression is just one of the phenomena.

Personally, I think it is triggered by the enzyme released during the heart attack, but have absolutely no "proof" one way or another.

 

[Fred's Wife]

I recently had cataract surgery and the doctor gave me Vallium (I don't remember what strength). It was given to "relax" me. It didn't "relax" me at all...but later on (at 4AM the next morning) I woke up with a terrible case of hives and had to take Benedryl to "counteract" the side effects of that small amount of Vallium I was given.

 

[seekingthetruth]

I recently had cataract surgery and the doctor gave me Vallium (I don't remember what strength). It was given to "relax" me. It didn't "relax" me at all...but later on (at 4AM the next morning) I woke up with a terrible case of hives and had to take Benedryl to "counteract" the side effects of that small amount of Vallium I was given.

My cousin breaks out when he eats peanut butter....what is your point?

Oh, it doesnt matter what strength the peanut butter is.

John