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This whole approach to mind puts you in company with /The Buddha (Siddhartha Gautam)/Confucius (Kung-Fu-TZU)/Sonam Gyatso, The Third Dalai Lama/Mary Baker Eddy/Mohandas Gandhi/Edgar Cayce/Kahlil Gibran/Bikram Choudhary/Rev. Lloyd Tupper :Science of Mind



http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mind-reviews-a-first-rate-madness

 

Uh...that's not the way this works, friend. I don't have to have credibility to question your credibility. I'm not the one making completely baseless assertions here. You need to either show your own research or cite credible research.

 

All truth is God's truth. There doesn't need to be a proof text for every single morsel of scientific truth.

Come on, dude. Give up these asinine arguments.

 

There is no scientific proof that the mind can get sick. It is not me who is making assinine arguments.

 

fortytworc...

From what source do you derive this false assumption?

The apostle John saw "souls" in heaven:

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The rich man saw Lazarus in Abraham's bosom.

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

 

Read what those people had to say about mind. Especially the cult Science of Mind. This is not a false accusation.
If there is no mental illness because the mind cannot be ill, it follows that there can be no mental health. If there is no image of the mind we have neither sick nor healthy minds.

 

My brother was at one time a "FRED". A big time Fundamentalist Pastor boy that set out to teach everyone it is all about "Sin" & then all you need to do is confess your sin....Give your life to the Lord "And you will be CURED of what ever ailes you" He got taught this from his primary Pastors (who prior to this sold shoes at the local Grants Department Store). They all believed this nonsense to such a degree that they allowed a Pedophile SOB with 2 convictions & on parole to come under their Church roof & even interact with their children. Guess what happened!

No, the pervert pedophile DID NOT turn over a new leaf & he was not cured, as much as he claimed otherwise. Over the course of a few years, he managed to abuse many children in the church, the church camp, the boy scouts etc. Just imagine the surprise of all those parents who believed in the methods of a pastor who had converted this miscreant to Christ. I would have loved to see the demeanor of the Pastor as he stands in front of a Grand Jury & attempts to tell them just what he was thinking.......why did he feel he could cure this scum of the earth? However what Im left with is children who are damaged & confused & in need of professional help (BEFORE SOME COMMIT SUICIDE). I'd also love to see ya try to approach these kids with your blathering & your delusional religious crap that put them innocents in harms way in the 1st place. You frankly disgust me!

 

The pedophile's behavior was not caused by mental illness. Such actions are known as sin.

Sin cannot be cured or atoned for by lying on a psychiatrists couch for an hour a week. A psychiatrist will only worsen the problem because he tries to explain away sin by calling it a 'mental disorder', a 'mental dysfunction', or a 'mental illness'.

The problem with that pedophile is not a sick mind, but rather a sinful heart.

 

I know this is a bit lengthy, but I'm replaying this part of the thread in hopes that Stead will answer my question.

 

the only sin that was ever committed was the stupid pastor who allowed this miscreant an open door policy to innocent kids. This pedophile is now in prison & destined to hell. I sincerely hope this pastor & his people also follow him there.

 

So pedophilia is not sin? Sorry, Earth Wind and Fire, but you are wrong.

Has anyone ever lied to you and you believed it? If we are to use your story of the pedophile and the Church as a blueprint for sin, then if you ever believed a lie, it is you who sinned and not the person who told the lie.

Of course, the Word of God teaches otherwise.

 

I'm really not too interested in what man believes about the "mind". There is nothing (except in the title of the article) that mentions "mental illness". The person who wrote this article is working off the premise that there is such a thing as "mental illness"... but this is not what God says about the "mind". Scripture never speaks of the "mind" being ill or having a disease.

"The two words most commonly translated "mind" in the N.T. are nous (Luke 24:45) (denotes the seat of reflective consciousness, comprising the faculties of perception and understanding, and those of feeling, judging and determining) and dianoia (Matthew 22:37) (a thinking through, or over, a meditation, reflecting, signifies the faculty of knowing, understanding, or moral reflection)" (Vine).

Where is the term "mental health" mentioned in Scripture? Or "mental disorder/dysfunction"? Or "mental illness"? Sin has been "redefined" as a "disease".

Scripture speaks of "despiteful minds" (Ezekiel 36:5), "right mind" (Mark 5:15), "evil affected mind" (Acts 14:2), "reprobate mind" (Romans 1:28), "carnal mind" (Romans 8:7), "spiritually minded" (Romans 8:6), "vain mind" (Ephesians 4:17), "fleshly mind" (Colossians 2:18), "corrupt mind" (1 Timothy 6:5), "high minded" (2 Timothy 3:4), "defiled mind" (Titus 1:15), "sober mind" (Titus 2:6), "pure minds" (2 Peter 3:1), "mind that has wisdom" (Revelation 17:9).

The solution to man's emotional and spiritual problems is not drugs to correct a "chemical imbalance" in the brain, but "reconciliation to God". (2 Corinthians 5:18-20).

 

Thought I'd join you in that . Someone who has everything fit into nice, neat answer packs needs the outside structures to hold them up. Eventually the formulas begin failing them (re: the pedophile) . how this is handled is up to them. Reinforce the crumbling structure, or face the facts and go from there. Calling OCD a sin of Lust is ridiculous at
the very least, and can be verey destructive.

 

Regarding OCD, the DSM-V gives the following explanation (my emphasis in bold:

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder

A. Either obsessions or compulsions:

Obsessions as defined by (1) and (2):

1. Recurrent and persistent thoughts, urges, or images that are experienced, at some time during the disturbance, as intrusive and unwanted and that in most individuals cause marked anxiety or distress *

Unwanted thoughts, urges, or images that cause anxiety or distress - Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Clearly the definition given for Obsession by the DSM is explained in the Word of God as oppression. Scripture teaches us that satan puts evil thoughts in our heads. Sadly, most people believe the sinful writings of psychiatrists rather than the Word of God.

2. The person attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts, urges, or images, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action (i.e., by performing a compulsion) **

One cannot fight the devil by compulsively washing their hands.

Compulsions as defined by (1) and (2):

1. Repetitive behaviors (e.g., hand washing, ordering, checking) or mental acts (e.g., praying, counting, repeating words silently) that the person feels driven to perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly

I notice that the psychiatrists have praying listed as being an act of compulsion. So praying when one has unwanted thoughts is a disorder? One can see that psychiatrists do not have the persons best interest in mind, else they would not be against praying when unwanted thoughts enter a persons mind.

2. The behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing anxiety or distress, or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these behaviors or mental acts either are not connected in a realistic way with what they are designed to neutralize or prevent, or are clearly excessive

And here is confirmation. praying (mental act) is not designed to prevent those unwanted thoughts or feelings. Totally unScriptural.

B. The obsessions or compulsions are time consuming (for example, take more than 1 hour a day), or cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. ***

Scripture tells us to pray without ceasing. To study to show ourselves approved unto God a workman that needs not to be ashamed. Praying and studying God's Word is the answer to defeating those unwanted thoughts. It is submitting ourselves to God as His Word tells us to do. Of course, the psychiatrists would rather you steer away from such time consuming solutions to oppression.

C. (formerly Criterion E.). The obsessive-compulsive symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.

No, they are a result one not being in God's will if they are seeking any avenue other than His Word and prayer.

D. The content of the obsessions or compulsions is not restricted to the symptoms of another mental disorder (e.g., excessive worries about real life problems in Generalized Anxiety Disorder; preoccupation with food or ritualized eating behavior in an Eating Disorder; hair pulling in Hair Pulling Disorder(Trichotillomania); stereotypies in Stereotypic Movement Disorder; preoccupation with appearance in Body Dysmorphic Disorder; preoccupation with drugs in a Substance Use Disorder; preoccupation with having a serious illness in Hypochondriasis; preoccupation with sexual urges or fantasies in a Paraphilia or Hypersexual Disorder; preoccupation with gambling or other behaviors in behavioral addictions or impulse control disorders; guilty ruminations in Major Depressive Disorder; paranoia or thought insertion in a Psychotic Disorder; or repetitive patterns of behavior in Autism Spectrum Disorder). ****

So to strengthen their ungodly stance, the psychiatrists behind the DSM try to say the cause of OCD may be another disorder. And of course, that one is caused by another disorder... and another ... and another... and on and on it goes.

Specify whether OCD beliefs are currently characterized by:

Good or fair insight: Recognizes that OCD beliefs are definitely or probably not true, or that they may or may not be true

Poor insight: Thinks OCD beliefs are probably true

Absent insight: Completely convinced OCD beliefs are true



Specify if:

Tic-related OCD: The individual has a lifetime history of a chronic tic disorder

The answer is in God's Word folks. Not in a psychiatrist's office, nor in the DSM.

 

The sin of that sick sob should be met with execution & Id be glad to do it myself if allowed to. But the greater sin falls in the laps of the pastors & the government who allowed the pig free rein over innocent kids. My point is to be aware & not to delude people into thinking that everyone is salvageable.....they are not. When a dog contracts rabies, it diseases the mind & the dog is put down. When a pedophile is allowed free reign to children (primarily because some ignorant pastor thinks he has cured him through Christ), then that pastor should do prison time & be stripped of his church for NOT PROTECTING HIS FLOCK. Both deserve nothing short of hell ..... in this life & the next.

Now what do you do with a child that is so severely affected that he sits all day in a room & is afraid of life? Do you tell him about Gods love for him because to his thinking, the religious have already let him down by failing to protect him, .....they failed him by implying to him that Mr. Pedophile was a converted Christian & therefore a good & Godly man? Good luck with that ....they know longer believe in you or your theology. They will no longer believe your ideas....... they probably will not respond to shrinks.....but they will respond to love & nothing short of it.

And I'm sorry to say this Fred but this imbecilic Fundy pastor thinks like you.... sad because that thinking was also used by the devil to destroy these kids lives. Now its reported that this same Fundi church is now conducting exorcisms! EXORCISMS by a traveling evangelist......Satan MUST BE laughing his head off.

 

I'm not too interested in man's opinion either. The people and groups listed have espoused beliefs very similar to those of Steadfast Fred. Whatever Brain illness that causes someone to pigeonhole everything, and to really need such a rigid outer structure of convictions speaks of the possibility that there isn't much of any real substance on the inside. Kind of like the inside of tombs full of dead men' bones. There are many things Scripture is silent on: cremation, investing in stocks and bonds, dating,clipping your toenails, oral sex, tooth fillings, how often do I shower, plane trips.....etc. That it never speaks of the mind being ill means that the idea of mental illness and various treatments is one of those things.

 

You are basing your stance on the belief that the mind can get sick.

Being immaterial, the mind cannot get sick.

 

This type of "reasoning" and "Logic" is along the lines of those who do everything they know to do in order to keep their thoughts pure. They try to ignore and suppress the thoughts and urges.They pray and study God's Word. Finally the come to conclude that since they have exhausted all scriptural avenues to keep their thoughts pure IT MUST BE the Women's fault.
The next step is to believe all women are evil, sex crazed tools of the devil.

 

Where is the mind kept?

According to Fred the pain center is in the affected part. An injured hand hurts only in the hand. The central nervous system was designed by man.

Where is the seat of emotion? Apparently it is in the eyes for sorrow and in the belly for laughter.

How are thoughts processed? Apparently only in my iPad unless the thought is evil and then it is in my bowels.

Medication masks sin which apparently make Eli Lilly more powerful than the Holy Spirit.

I'm off to find some intelligent conversation......


“For the unwise man ’tis best to be mute
when he come amid the crowd,
for none is aware of his lack of wit
if he wastes not too many words;
for he who lacks wit shall never learn
though his words flow ne’er so fast.”

~ Havamal

 

"The Bible doesn't claim to cover every subject, but whatever it says about any subject is without error, because the entire Bible is inspired of God and therefore infallible. In those areas that are not the primary focus of the Bible, we may look outside its pages for counsel, but nothing should be accepted that is not in agreement with what the Bible says related to that subject or which violates general principles in God's Word.

When it comes to our relationship with God through Christ, what the Christian life consists of, how that life is to be lived, and the power for doing so, the Bible claims to offer the only and complete truth.

Medicine deals with the body (including the brain), which is physical and not covered exhaustively in the Bible. But psychology/psychotherapy/psychiatry claims to treat the soul and mind, which Christians (it appears that the number seems to be dwindling down) agree are nonphysical or spiritual. There is NO SUCH THING as a mental illness; It is either a physical problem in the brain (such as a nutritional deficiency) or it is a moral or spiritual problem."

(Dave Hunt, Beyond Seduction, pg. 125, 126, & 127)
Bolding is mine.