Pink...the Atonement, 1 Jn2:2

[Iconoclast]

OP,

The points made don't take into a account the man who won't forgive himself. The whole world and God can forgive you. But if you don't forgive yourself you are stuck.

Jesus owns the rights to all humans by virtue of creation and His going to the cross ...jn17.
You have no right to your selfish ,self centered thoughts....you are fully responsible to seek Him for mercy.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are free to imagine that and engage in your creative writing... I have always said that.

I prefer actual Bible discussions.

Do yopu agree with EW that Christians can and have lost eternal life, that we must keep the Dietary laws of the OT, keepthe OT Sabbath, and that we must face the Investigative Judgement , with loss of eternal life a real possibility?

 

[Yeshua1]

Who do you think got paid? Jesus?

Did Jesus "pay himself" by "getting himself tortured" in your view?

God defines atonement in His own "Day of Atonement" model found in Leviticus 16 where the chapter does not end with the slaying of the "Sin offering". Did you suppose that this is where God's chapter on that topic ended?

Do you know why Paul says "The MAIN POINT is this" in Hebrews 8:1 speaking of the High Priestly role of Christ after His resurrection??

Jesus paid to God the father the sin debt...
Sda said that satan was thje scapegoat though, correct?

 

[utilyan]

Jesus owns the rights to all humans by virtue of creation and His going to the cross ...jn17.
You have no right to your selfish ,self centered thoughts....you are fully responsible to seek Him for mercy.

Muslims think that way too. Our God is a Father not a slave master.

John 15

12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14“You are My friends if you do what I command you.15“No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.



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God and Jesus loved Adam and Eve. They loved the Devil this is proven in scripture, God even anointed Satan. All creation was good.

You want God to be the author and source of evil. [Edit: Personal attack] We can have the whole world pat you on the back, God too. If you don't forgive yourself, you are not going anywhere.

[Edit: Personal attack.]

 

[Iconoclast]

"utilyan,

Muslims think that way too.

Muslim thought is off topic.

Our God is a Father not a slave master.

God is not Father to everyone.

John 15

12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14“You are My friends if you do what I command you.15“No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

Doesn't matter Icon, If you go to heaven and you hate yourself there.....welcome to hell.

Off topic...however no such sin will take place in heaven...

Its not going to matter how much Jesus or God loves you.

Scripture teaches otherwise;

4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

You want God to be the author and source of evil.

I never had said any such thing...you seem to make up things as you go along.

The source of evil is you buddy.

Just so no.....to drugs....

We can have the whole world pat you on the back, God too. If you don't forgive yourself, you are not going anywhere.

This is meaningless tripe.

Thoughts of natural men, do not change God's word.

 

[JonC]

Thoughts of natural men, do not change God's word.

Thoughts of unnatural men don't change God's word either.