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Earth Wind and Fire

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You just love to deceive, twist and distort, don't you?

The context for my comments was an assertion that people (apparently here) didn't care about Bill Clinton's immorality, they only care about Trump's. I called that person out on it. You have now attempted to twist my words into condemnation, self-righteousness, and the desire for sinners to face destruction.

Your own words and actions condemn you.

Apparently, you are fine with immorality if it is someone you like.
He has done that constantly.... there are several on here that can testify to that. Is it mean Spirit, is it manipulation to discredit, is it character assignation. You have to wonder why Calminian does this... it is disingenuous.
 

Calminian

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You just love to deceive, twist and distort, don't you?

The context for my comments was an assertion that people (apparently here) didn't care about Bill Clinton's immorality, they only care about Trump's. I called that person out on it.

Called him out on what? I know a ton of people who condemn Trump but gave Clinton a pass. It's you that is falsely accusing.

Apparently, you are fine with immorality if it is someone you like.

Case in point. In the words of Reagan, "There you go again."
 

Calminian

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He has done that constantly.... there are several on here that can testify to that. Is it mean Spirit, is it manipulation to discredit, is it character assignation. You have to wonder why Calminian does this... it is disingenuous.

I will say this, you and BB think alike. Neither care one bit about ending the abortion holocaust in the country, and do everything you can to undermine the fight against RvW. You both are very useful to the other side.
 

Baptist Believer

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Called him out on what?
I called him out on a vague accusation that those who call out Trump for immorality gave Clinton a pass.

I know a ton of people who condemn Trump but gave Clinton a pass.
I don't. Maybe you should spend time with more consistent people.

It's you that is falsely accusing.
Another false accusation from the accuser of the brethren.

I will say this, you and BB think alike. Neither care one bit about ending the abortion holocaust in the country, and do everything you can to undermine the fight against RvW.
There are a few more grievous false accusations.

You both are very useful to the other side.
I'm on the side of telling the truth. You are obviously on the side of lies.

Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. - Jesus (Matthew 12:33-37)
 

Calminian

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...I don't. Maybe you should spend time with more consistent people......

Man, you are a self-righteous one. So you spend time with only the pietist few. I suppose you're really are judgmental about Jesus hanging with all those sinners.

I'm on the side of telling the truth. You are obviously on the side of lies....

Or the truth hurts. Abortionists love you (those of you too pietist to vote Republican). You make it possible for them to win.
 

Calminian

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James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.

The sad truth is, a united Church could tip the scales and end the abortion holocaust very soon. But the devil whispers in many ears, and many listen and believe they are to righteous to vote for the pro-life party.
 

Baptist Believer

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Man, you are a self-righteous one. So you spend time with only the pietist few. I suppose you're really are judgmental about Jesus hanging with all those sinners.

Or the truth hurts. Abortionists love you (those of you too pietist to vote Republican). You make it possible for them to win.
Six more lies.

But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. - Jesus (Matthew 12:33-37)
 

Calminian

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So did anyone watch the interview? I found better things to do. I rearranged by sock drawer (been putt'n that off too long).

I did read some excerpts. One was Stormy refusing to play the victim. She apparently castigated Cooper for suggesting she was a victim.

I guess that takes Trump out of the Bill Clinton category.
 

Baptist Believer

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James 4:17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
You realize that telling lies and tacitly approving of immorality is evil, right?

The sad truth is, a united Church could tip the scales and end the abortion holocaust very soon. But the devil whispers in many ears, and many listen and believe they are to righteous to vote for the pro-life party.
As it has been pointed out before, one does not have to deny the gospel of Jesus (by embracing and telling lies) to have a President who will appoint judges that may overturn Roe v. Wade (although that still won't end abortion or necessarily make it illegal).

Even if President Trump is impeached, the Presidency will go to Mike Pence who (at least) gives lip-service to be anti-abortion. Even if Pence is caught up in corruption and is also impeached, you have Paul Ryan who (at least) gives lip-service to be anti-abortion.

So your premise that we have to throw away every standard of righteousness and embrace every lie for the sake of keeping Donald Trump in office so that he can appoint another pro-life Justice is completely false.

The devil has been shouting in your ear.
 

Calminian

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....As it has been pointed out before, one does not have to deny the gospel of Jesus (by embracing and telling lies) to have a President who will appoint judges that may overturn Roe v. Wade (although that still won't end abortion or necessarily make it illegal).

Yet you deny the gospel by passively supporting evil, indeed a holocaust. How is that a good testimony?

I wonder if you would have taken the same stance with the abolitionist movement. Lincoln was no saint either.

Even if President Trump is impeached, the Presidency will go to Mike Pence......

Pence is a Trump supporter. Doesn't that make him immoral? Backpedaling?
 

Baptist Believer

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So did anyone watch the interview? I found better things to do. I rearranged by sock drawer (been putt'n that off too long).
I saw it.

I did read some excerpts. One was Stormy refusing to play the victim.
She emphasized that she was not forced into anything. She had a fatalistic view about it. When Trump presented himself to her, she realized that she had gotten herself into a situation (by going up to his suite to meet him for dinner -- although she thought they were going out on the town) and did not resist.

She apparently castigated Cooper for suggesting she was a victim.
She did not.

I guess that takes Trump out of the Bill Clinton category.
To some degree.

However, she maintains that she and her infant daughter were threatened in Las Vegas by someone who made reference to her keeping her mouth shut about Donald Trump. I don't recall Bill Clinton doing that.
 

Baptist Believer

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Yet you deny the gospel by passively supporting evil, indeed a holocaust. How is that a good testimony?
False accusation.

I wonder if you would have taken the same stance with the abolitionist movement. Lincoln was no saint either
Beyond your historical issues, I don't know how I would have dealt with the issue of slavery in a culture completely immersed in and completely dependent on it. You don't either. Of course, you mention this only to favorably compare Trump to Lincoln. It doesn't hold.

Pence is a Trump supporter. Doesn't that make him immoral?
Non sequitur.

Backpedaling?
Nope. Any Republican would nominate an anti-abortion Justice. Therefore, you have no reason to hang all of our hopes on Donald Trump.
 

Calminian

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False accusation.

Nope, totally valid. If you pass up the unborn child that needs your help, you have sinned according to Scripture.

"Yes, young child, I realize your life is in danger. And I want you to be saved, just not by that guy."

Yeah, that'll fly at the Bema Seat.

Beyond your historical issues, I don't know how I would have dealt with the issue of slavery in a culture completely immersed in and completely dependent on it. You don't either. Of course, you mention this only to favorably compare Trump to Lincoln. It doesn't hold.

Yes, I do. Kidnapping is a sin. Had I not fought it then, I would be in sin. You're even confused about sinfulness of slavery?? This is getting interesting.

Non sequitur.

You're getting very dodgy, now. Not consistent at all. You condemn Trump supporters as immoral, then claim you're going to support a Trump supporter? Priceless.
 

Baptist Believer

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Nope, totally valid. If you pass up the unborn child that needs your help, you have sinned according to Scripture.
You realize that I am pro-life, right?

"Yes, young child, I realize your life is in danger. And I want you to be saved, just not by that guy."

Yeah, that'll fly at the Bema Seat.
Since Jesus is not a fool, I know He will judge righteously. I won't face these false accusations that you are throwing out. But you will be accountable for every one of them.

Yes, I do. Kidnapping is a sin. Had I not fought it then, I would be in sin.
I am humble enough to know that I cannot promise if I would have had the courage to go against family, church, society, and everything else to combat slavery in all the ways necessary. You threw out a hypothetical. If I grew up in that culture, immersed in every way by doctrine and social pressures to believe that slavery was God's institution, I don't know if I would have broken free of that. You assume that you would have perfect clarity, that you could take your 21st century beliefs back to the 19th century and be just fine. That is enormous arrogance. It is also mostly irrelevant to our conversation.

You're even confused about sinfulness of slavery??
False accusation. Slavery, as historically practiced in the Americas, is blatantly evil. There is no confusion there.

This is getting interesting.
It is only "interesting" because I am an honest person and you are looking for new ways to distort and falsely accuse me based on truthful answers. What you are doing is quite evil and shows the corruption in your soul.

You're getting very dodgy, now.
Apparently you don't know the meaning of "non sequitur."

If means that your logic does not follow. Your premise was that 'Pence supports Trump.' That may or may not be true in reality. But let's grant that. Then you pose the question, 'Doesn't that make him immoral?" Supporting Trump does not automatically make someone immoral. They can be deceived or there could be some other reasons.

I am not "dodgy," you just can't keep up.

Not consistent at all.
Lie.

You condemn Trump supporters as immoral...
I have done no such thing. There's another lie. I am specifically pointing out your immorality - your lies and false accusations.

... then claim you're going to support a Trump supporter?
I have made no such claim. So there's another lie.

I was pointing out (for the third or fourth time), that Trump is not the last resort for a person who will appoint an anti-abortion Justice.

Priceless.
No, you are going to pay a price for your false accusations. If not now, then later:

But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. - Jesus (Matthew 12:33-37)
 

Reynolds

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However, she maintains that she and her infant daughter were threatened in Las Vegas by someone who made reference to her keeping her mouth shut about Donald Trump. I don't recall Bill Clinton doing that.
You never thought all the dead bodies surrounding the Clintons were more than coincidence?
 

Calminian

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You realize that I am pro-life, right?

Yes, in the same sense that Obama and Carter are pro-life. You talk the talk, but are absent when it comes time to vote.

Everyone one earth claims to be pro-life. Even Planned Parenthood says they don't like abortion. No one is pro-aboriton.

But the real pro-lifers participate in the fight. They vote pro-life.

Since Jesus is not a fool, I know He will judge righteously. I won't face these false accusations that you are throwing out. But you will be accountable for every one of them.

Copout answer. You always throw these self-pity tantrums when cornered.

I am humble enough.....

Nuff said.

....What you are doing is quite evil and shows the corruption in your soul.

Ah, so now I'm evil and you're righteous for being indecisive about whether you'd fight slavery and sitting out of the abortion fight. Interesting how you rationalize.

I am not "dodgy," you just can't keep up.

Uh, yeah, you're not exactly floating like a butterfly.


Tantrum.
 

Baptist Believer

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Yes, in the same sense that Obama and Carter are pro-life. You talk the talk, but are absent when it comes time to vote.
Lie.

Copout answer. You always throw these self-pity tantrums when cornered.
I am hardly "cornered." I have no fear of judgment from Jesus for standing against Trump. It was/is an act of faithful discipleship to Jesus.

Ah, so now I'm evil and you're righteous...
I'm not claiming righteousness. We'll let Jesus sort that out. However, I am claiming what you are doing is evil.

...for being indecisive about whether you'd fight slavery...
Distorted so much that it is also a lie.

...and sitting out of the abortion fight.
Another lie.

Interesting how you rationalize.
Right back at you.

Liar.
 

Calminian

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Tantrum.

I am hardly "cornered." I have no fear of judgment from Jesus for standing against Trump. It was/is an act of faithful discipleship to Jesus.

I would be if I ignored those in need.

Matt. 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Matt. 25:44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, “Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”​

Not saying you're going to Hell, but this passage should at least make you want to help the unborn in an actual tangible way that actually helps.

I'm not claiming righteousness. We'll let Jesus sort that out. However, I am claiming what you are doing is evil.

If calling out self-righteous Christians on their complacency on voting pro-life is evil, then guilty as charged. We've just crossed the 60 million mark, just in the US and just since RvW. That's triple the murders of Stalin and 10x the holocaust. I think some convicting talk might be in order.
 
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