NaasPreacher (C4K)
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I have no problem with anyone using only the KJV.
The problem comes when my Bible is attacked as not being the word of God.
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Please provide scriptural support for KJVOism.
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I have no problem with anyone using only the KJV.
The problem comes when my Bible is attacked as not being the word of God.
According to 2Pet.1:19-21, the only Biblical position to take is that only the original MSS, that is the MSS written by the prophets and the apostles that God has preserved in our Bible today are inspired. They alone contain no error; they alone are infallible. They are the MSS that are "God-breathed." No translation can make that claim.
We can claim that God has preserved His Word; but we cannot claim an inspired translation. Only those original MSS were without error and inspired.
We can claim that God has preserved His Word; but we cannot claim an inspired translation. Only those original MSS were without error and inspired.
Trotter
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I'm not dogmatic about. In fact, I have never claimed scriptural support for any translation. If I knew the original languages I would just use them as my bible. Since I don't, I use several translations in my own, 21st century language.Refreshed said:
Why several? Because I want what God's word says, not what a single person or group thinks it says. Several witnesses may give slightly different views, but you will know exactly what all happened between them all.
It's what ALL of the sides come down to. There is no Scriptural support for the superiority of one version over another - so it comes down to manuscript evidence and personal choice.
John,
I'm very sorry but I find no scripture that supports the KJVO.
Perhaps I am missing something.
Best of luck John in finding your answer. Please inform me when you discover
the Bible supporting the KJVO.
Don't get me wrong, I think the KJV is neat.
I'm very sorry but I find no scripture that supports the KJVO.
Perhaps I am missing something.
Best of luck John in finding your answer. Please inform me when you discover
the Bible supporting the KJVO.
Don't get me wrong, I think the KJV is neat.
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Jesus used more than one translation. So the one version issue is nonsense.
SURE!
My position on BVs is that GOD has kept His word before us in the languages HE has given us to use. His word is now translated into over 2400 languages.
Some languages such as English have had His word translated into them for a long time. In these cases, GOD has seen to it that, as he causes/allows those languages to change, He causes new translations of His word to be made to reflect those changes.
Actually, there's a NEGATIVE Scriptural evidence fact to support this...GOD IS SILENT about bible versions, so any attempt to make one version pre-eminent is a MAN-MADE ATTEMPT to usurp GOD'S authority. The Scriptures are GOD'S word, not ours, settled in heaven, presented to us by GOD in the manners HE jolly well chooses. If GOD had chosen just ONE translation, He woulda made it quite clear to us!
In summary...My position on BVs is that there are several perfectly-valid English BVs, both old and new. We cannot go wrong using any or all of them.
Does that include the New World Translation?
Do you disagree with the Letter To the Reader written by Dr. Miles Smith? If you do disagree, what in particular do you take issue with? If you disagree with him -- then does that mean he wasn't a worthy translator?
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The NWT is not a valid version as it was twisted by a cult to say what they wanted it to say... sort of like how a certain split off of the Catholic Church... oh, never mind.
I have used the NWT when speaking with a JW elder, though. I kept mentioning the great white throne judgment and he demanded that I explain it to him as he had never heard of it. I borrowed his NWT and showed it to him. Needless to say he was not a happy camper.
I have used the NWT when speaking with a JW elder, though. I kept mentioning the great white throne judgment and he demanded that I explain it to him as he had never heard of it. I borrowed his NWT and showed it to him. Needless to say he was not a happy camper.
franklinmonroe
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First, are inerrantcy & infallibility the only aspects of Inspiration? Is 'inspiration' just another way of saying that the words of God are perfect? Is there more to Inspiration. If so, what?
Second, must Inspiration be applied ONLY to the entire canon as a whole unit? The Bible wasn't 'inspired' all at one time. Weren't the individual books 'inspired' as they were written? In fact, weren't they 'inspired' one word at a time? Wouldn't you agree that the autograph of John's Gospel would have been inspired? Wouldn't you agree that each word of every verse of John's autograph would have been individually inspired?
If perfection (inerrantcy & infallibility) is ALL there is to Inspiration AND this Inspiration reaches down to the word-level, then any words (complete verse or short passage with no variants) that were perfectly copied and preserved throughout original language manuscripts would not really be any different than the words as they stood in the autograph. So, the words, verses, and passages we have in the original language that are totally without error (human introduced mistakes), should still be equally 'inspired'.
If perfection (inerrantcy & infallibility) is NOT all there is to Inspiration, then how could we know that those other aspects of Inspiration have not continued in the words of the manuscript copies. That portion of Inspiration may still be present. (notice I am not addressing translations here)
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Not just that they are perfect, but that they are those words which God has chosen to accurately preserve through prophets and apostles by means of the Holy Spirit for our benefit.
The Bible is God's revelation to mankind; his guidebook for us. What God has said is not only perfect, it is accurately recorded. There is a fine distinction there. It is "verbally" and "plenary" inspired. That is it inspiration refers to every word of the Bible and every part of the Bible--the whole.
In over 5,500 MSS God has preserved his Word.
But only the original MSS were completely without error. That is an over-simplification, as inspiration involves much more than that. But it is an easy way to demonstrate how only the originals can be the inspired MSS. There are other reasons.
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