Political prisoners-

[Wingman68]

Those arrested on January 6th are being held in solitary confinement, without bail despite not being flight risks, and being denied access to evidence. Does this make them political prisoners? – The Culture Chronicles

Become aware.

 

[JonC]

Those arrested on January 6th are being held in solitary confinement, without bail despite not being flight risks, and being denied access to evidence. Does this make them political prisoners? – The Culture Chronicles

Become aware.

There are good questions here. If American citizens are involved in activities against our nation (as those in Jan were, as were the rioters who set fire to federal buildings) are they entitled to bond? Is bond something to which criminals are entitled? (Asking....I don't know).

What about Americans who aided ISIS?

 

[canadyjd]

Where have you been???

We have had a lot of suspected terrorists (to include US citizens) held for years without being charged.?

name one US citizen arrested on US soil that has been held for years without being charged.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

There are good questions here. If American citizens are involved in activities against our nation (as those in Jan were, as were the rioters who set fire to federal buildings) are they entitled to bond? Is bond something to which criminals are entitled

Yes, they are entitled to appropriate bond unless they are a flight risk (money and means) and/or the crime alleged is particularly heinous (multiple murders, mentally unstable)

These folks are being held indefinitely, without bond, in solitary confinement, for trespassing.

This is a scandal.

peace to you

 

[just-want-peace]

When you attack the government and try to overturn a Constitutional election, there are costs. The fact that you want sympathy and “political prisoner” status for someone who attacked police officers, damaged our Capitol, interrupted our Congress, and attempted to terrorize and intimidate our elected officials tells me a lot about both of you.

Now this is an Olympic pile of BOVINE EXCREMENT from start to finish!!!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It's the hypocrisy that is interesting.

One group of hypocrits believe he should be released because the Left did not punish leftists for doing the same all year (insisting those involved in the riots should have been punished).

The other group of hypocrites want these idiots jailed but said nothing when idiots that supported their cause were not prosecuted.

Is the guy a political prisoner? No. He is, perhaps, a terrorist and he is certainly an enemy of the nation.

Should he be released? No, of course not. He is a criminal.

That said, the rioters should face the same thing.

Nyah. Expecting equal treatment under the law is not hypocrisy. Sure it would have been great had they cracked down on the lawless left long ago. But since they didn’t then, we now have what we have and it won’t be right either way.

The hypocrisy is all on the left. When they openly covered up Hillary’s dirty deeds then went after Trump tooth and nail for nothing other than running a successful campaign, it became abundantly clear to everyone who bothered to notice that the government is very deeply corrupt.

 

[JonC]

name one US citizen arrested on US soil that has been held for years without being charged.

peace to you

The Trump Administration emplemented a policy that a U.S. citizen can be held indefinitely as an “enemy combatant”.

The terrorists who attacked the Capitol in January would certainly fit in this category. At best they should be stripped of citizenship, tar and feathered and deported to Haiti.

 

[JonC]

Yes, they are entitled to appropriate bond unless they are a flight risk (money and means) and/or the crime alleged is particularly heinous (multiple murders, mentally unstable)

These folks are being held indefinitely, without bond, in solitary confinement, for trespassing.

This is a scandal.

peace to you

So it is subjective - the question being if a traitor is a flight risk. I say they are. Any enemy of the US would certainly welcome those who attacked the US.

 

[JonC]

Nyah. Expecting equal treatment under the law is not hypocrisy. Sure it would have been great had they cracked down on the lawless left long ago. But since they didn’t then, we now have what we have and it won’t be right either way.

The hypocrisy is all on the left. When they openly covered up Hillary’s dirty deeds then went after Trump tooth and nail for nothing other than running a successful campaign, it became abundantly clear to everyone who bothered to notice that the government is very deeply corrupt.

It is hypocritical because Republicans were calling for action against the rioters but want a pass for those who engaged in activities against the US government (one of the questions on the SF86, btw).

If you guys were supporting giving the rioters a pass then I could see your point.

That said, I do not really care WHY an American betrays the US as much as I do that they did.

 

[Baptist Believer]

You have no idea If that man had done any of that. Dems in big cities have literally been letting violent felons out of jail with no bond required.

Actually, I do. I know how to do a very quick internet search and get answers.

As far as I know, he is being held indefinitely on trespassing charges.

Beyond that, neither he, nor his attorney knows what charges they are looking to bring.

This is completely false. If his attorney doesn't know the charges, his attorney is completely incompetent, since it is public record.

These folks are being held indefinitely, without bond, in solitary confinement, for trespassing.

Nope.

Now this is an Olympic pile of BOVINE EXCREMENT from start to finish!!!

False.

Here's the indictment.

Biggs has been indicted for six counts, with tons of evidence to support the charges:

(1) Conspiracy as a leader of the Proud Boys to plan, organize and lead the attack on the Capitol...
(2) Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting...
(3) Obstruction of Law Enforcement During Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting...
(4) Destruction of Government Property and Aiding and Abetting...
(5) Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds...
(6) Disorderly Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds.

He is being held in solitary confinement since he has been threatened by other prisoners. Even criminals don't like traitors to their country.

I astounds me how folks around here cannot do the simplest investigation of an issue when it comes to Trump and the Q-cult. It is no wonder so many of you are deceived.

 

[canadyjd]

The Trump Administration emplemented a policy that a U.S. citizen can be held indefinitely as an “enemy combatant”.

The terrorists who attacked the Capitol in January would certainly fit in this category. At best they should be stripped of citizenship, tar and feathered and deported to Haiti.

W. Bush implemented the enemy combatant policy, which already existed in times of war, and it applied non-citizens and US citizens in a foreign country. Even the US citizen captured in Afghanistan aiding the Taliban was given a trial and sentenced to 25 years. He is probably out by now or close to it.

Some protesters engaged in violent acts. They should be arrested, given due process and punished if found guilty.

I don’t think Jan 6 qualifies as a war, which is needed for the enemy combatant policy to kick in.

It’s a stretch to call them “terrorists” especially since they have all been silenced (we don’t know their motivation) in solitary confinement and we don’t know what they are charged with, if anything, other than trespassing.

Trespassing is not a “terrorist” activity.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

So it is subjective - the question being if a traitor is a flight risk. I say they are. Any enemy of the US would certainly welcome those who attacked the US.

He already lost an appeals court challenge regarding his continued detention. The judges are concerned that he would organize and lead another attack since he has no remorse for the first one.

 

[Wingman68]

If you guys were supporting giving the rioters a pass then I could see your point.

‘you guys’……..so JonC is not one of us guys. In the woke world that’s divisive, not to mention your argument sounds like a Biden word salad. No one here has even insinuated that they should get a pass. We are commenting on the lack of due process & the ridiculous conditions that have gone on for months on end. Meanwhile, no one knows who shot Ashli Babbitt even though there is a ton of video to be seen. Media never mentioned that death again. No ‘say her name’ for unarmed veteran woman, Ashli Babbitt.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Some protesters engaged in violent acts. They should be arrested, given due process and punished if found guilty.

Biggs has had due process so far. He just keeps losing in court.

It’s a stretch to call them “terrorists” especially since they have all been silenced (we don’t know their motivation) in solitary confinement and we don’t know what they are charged with, if anything, other than trespassing.

Sure we do. Maybe your "news" sources won't tell you, but you certainly haven't tried to find out. It took me exactly three minutes to find the indictment.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It is hypocritical because Republicans were calling for action against the rioters but want a pass for those who engaged in activities against the US government (one of the questions on the SF86, btw)....

It would be hypocritical only if Antifa and BLM had been dealt with. They weren’t. So now it’s time for equal protection under the law.

 

[Baptist Believer]

We are commenting on the lack of due process...

He has had due process. He just keeps losing in court.

... & the ridiculous conditions that have gone on for months on end.

Jail isn't much fun. Since they have him on video, audio, etc., he can simply confess and cooperate, which will move things along more quickly.

Meanwhile, no one knows who shot Ashli Babbitt even though there is a ton of video to be seen.

Sure there are people who know. It was an officer protecting our elected officials from Babbitt and others smashing a window and attempting to enter the vicinity of elected officials AFTER being warned that they would be shot. Just because the government has not released the name of the officer so that the Q-cult, militia organizations, and terrorist organizations can attack the officer or his/her family doesn't mean that "no one knows."

Media never mentioned that death again.

Where did you hear that lie? They have mentioned Babbitt a number of times on MSNBC, on CNN, on NPR, and in news articles in print and on the internet. I realize you probably don't read the same things I do, but someone has lied to you, or at least YOUR "news" media hasn't mentioned her.

No ‘say her name’ for unarmed veteran woman, Ashli Babbitt.

It's a sad story of delusion, but she should not be honored for committing an act of terror against our government. She had a backpack, ignored a warning that anyone who came through that doorway would be shot, and then attempted to crawl through the broken glass. There could have been all sorts of things in the backpack like a firearm, a bomb, or some sort of other lethal device.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...That said, I do not really care WHY an American betrays the US as much as I do that they did.

Yes, we've been betrayed by those in office, but it has happened over time frequently, not just recently. But don't expect them to face charges.

The best advice is to do one of two things: either keep the blinders on, or put blinders on, unless you want to end up like protesters in Venezuela, Hong Kong, Russia, Cuba, etc.

 

[JonC]

W. Bush implemented the enemy combatant policy, which already existed in times of war, and it applied non-citizens and US citizens in a foreign country. Even the US citizen captured in Afghanistan aiding the Taliban was given a trial and sentenced to 25 years. He is probably out by now or close to it.

Some protesters engaged in violent acts. They should be arrested, given due process and punished if found guilty.

I don’t think Jan 6 qualifies as a war, which is needed for the enemy combatant policy to kick in.

It’s a stretch to call them “terrorists” especially since they have all been silenced (we don’t know their motivation) in solitary confinement and we don’t know what they are charged with, if anything, other than trespassing.

Trespassing is not a “terrorist” activity.

peace to you

Yep. Bush did. Trump returned.

It depends on the "trespassing". With federal property it is not misdemeanor trespassing but at best criminal trespassing.

Where I work you'd be shot, no questions asked. They do not wait to see why you broke in.

Same with the Capital and the White House. If a crazy Democrat (i.e., a Democrat ) had somehow made his way to the White House and broken in to an area where Trump was residing then he would probably be shot before being asked why he broke in.

It is a terroristic act when the purpose of the "criminal trespass" is to act against the US.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

... That said, I do not really care WHY an American betrays the US as much as I do that they did.

And just to be perfectly clear here, I don’t advocate or condone breaching any boundaries set around the Capitol at any time.

What those folks did was illegal and foolish at the very least, and turned out to be dangerous for some. They will have to face the charges brought against them. Whether those charges should be as extreme as some have suggested is questionable in most cases.

What about those who have breached the White House barriers? How have they been charged and sentenced? For example, whatever happened to this guy?

Fence-jumper made it farther in White House than Secret Service let on

 

[canadyjd]

So it is subjective - the question being if a traitor is a flight risk. I say they are. Any enemy of the US would certainly welcome those who attacked the US.

No, it is not subjective. Judges are given guidelines and are expected to follow those when setting bail.

peace to you