Political prisoners-

[JonC]

‘you guys’……..so JonC is not one of us guys. In the woke world that’s divisive, not to mention your argument sounds like a Biden word salad. No one here has even insinuated that they should get a pass. We are commenting on the lack of due process & the ridiculous conditions that have gone on for months on end. Meanwhile, no one knows who shot Ashli Babbitt even though there is a ton of video to be seen. Media never mentioned that death again. No ‘say her name’ for unarmed veteran woman, Ashli Babbitt.

I do not know of I am one of you guys or not. I am a US citizen, a conservative, a patriot, and a Christian who served 23 years in the Army.

I certainly am not one of the guys who betrays the nation. If you are, then I am not one if you.

I supported Trump, but do not support Biden's policies. But I choose not to forfeit my integrity to support another human being (especially a traitor).

The "you guys" to which I am referring are those flag burners who only honor the flag when it suits their needs.

 

[JonC]

And just to be perfectly clear here, I don’t advocate or condone breaching any boundaries set around the Capitol at any time.

What those folks did was illegal and foolish at the very least, and turned out to be dangerous for some. They will have to face the charges brought against them. Whether those charges should be as extreme as some have suggested is questionable in most cases.

What about those who have breached the White House barriers? How have they been charged and sentenced? For example, whatever happened to this guy?

Fence-jumper made it farther in White House than Secret Service let on

Don't know what happened to that guy.

All of them should face felony charges (at least criminal trespass).

 

[JonC]

No, it is not subjective. Judges are given guidelines and are expected to follow those when setting bail.

peace to you

So you are saying if the judge believes the person would continue criminal activities if released his hands are tied and cannot deny bail.

Do you have a reference?

 

[canadyjd]

So you are saying if the judge believes the person would continue criminal activities if released his hands are tied and cannot deny bail.

Do you have a reference?

You should ask Baptist Believer. He is an expert on finding things on the internet. It will take him 3 mins.

Me???, not so much

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

So you are saying if the judge believes the person would continue criminal activities if released his hands are tied and cannot deny bail.

Do you have a reference?

I’m sure the “continuing threat” is something taken into account when determining bail. If people never get a bail hearing, they can’t make their case.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Actually, I do. I know how to do a very quick internet search and get answers.


This is completely false. If his attorney doesn't know the charges, his attorney is completely incompetent, since it is public record.


Nope.


False.

Here's the indictment.

Biggs has been indicted for six counts, with tons of evidence to support the charges:

(1) Conspiracy as a leader of the Proud Boys to plan, organize and lead the attack on the Capitol...
(2) Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting...
(3) Obstruction of Law Enforcement During Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting...
(4) Destruction of Government Property and Aiding and Abetting...
(5) Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds...
(6) Disorderly Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds.

He is being held in solitary confinement since he has been threatened by other prisoners. Even criminals don't like traitors to their country.

I astounds me how folks around here cannot do the simplest investigation of an issue when it comes to Trump and the Q-cult. It is no wonder so many of you are deceived.

He already lost an appeals court challenge regarding his continued detention. The judges are concerned that he would organize and lead another attack since he has no remorse for the first one.

Thanks for the info. You are much better at finding internet stuff.

I only want due process for all arrested. Looks like at least one is getting it.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

What about those who have breached the White House barriers? How have they been charged and sentenced? For example, whatever happened to this guy?

17 months in federal prison.

 

[canadyjd]

Actually, I do.

Here's the indictment.

Biggs has been indicted for six counts, with tons of evidence to support the charges:

(1) Conspiracy as a leader of the Proud Boys to plan, organize and lead the attack on the Capitol...
(2) Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting...
(3) Obstruction of Law Enforcement During Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting...
(4) Destruction of Government Property and Aiding and Abetting...
(5) Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds...
(6) Disorderly Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds…..

I read through the indictment and I have to say your characterization of “tons of evidence” is exaggerated.

I saw nothing about a planned “attack”. They obviously planned to attend a protest, but they didn’t say anything about attacking anyone. They talked about what color shirts to wear and such.

The indictment says a large crowd did “such and such”… and these men were part of the crowd. It says people in the crowd destroyed property, but it doesn’t identify any of these men destroying property.

However, looking at the charges, they might stick, though I think #1 will be problematic.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

I read through the indictment and I have to say your characterization of “tons of evidence” is exaggerated.

I saw nothing about a planned “attack”. They obviously planned to attend a protest, but they didn’t say anything about attacking anyone. They talked about what color shirts to wear and such.

The indictment says a large crowd did “such and such”… and these men were part of the crowd. It says people in the crowd destroyed property, but it doesn’t identify any of these men destroying property.

However, looking at the charges, they might stick, though I think #1 will be problematic.

peace to you

I agree the charges are exaggerated. Thus far assumptions made on all sides could last several lifetimes.

I am not sure it matters so much what the guy planned, or to what extent he planned. That is, IMHO, a less serious matter than what actually occurred.

Imagine a green liberal planned to peacefully protest outside a nuclear facility. Circumstances got out of hand, they stormed a pit plutonium building (somehow they got there), busted in and made their way through the building.

If they survived the "protest", I doubt his fate would depend on the planning involved.

The guy in question at a minimum betrayed his country, was criminally trespassing, endangered elected leaders, and made an attempt to unlawfully interfere with election processes.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Trump Administration emplemented a policy that a U.S. citizen can be held indefinitely as an “enemy combatant”.

The terrorists who attacked the Capitol in January would certainly fit in this category. At best they should be stripped of citizenship, tar and feathered and deported to Haiti.

Now why would you do that to Haiti... haven’t they suffered enough?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree the charges are exaggerated. Thus far assumptions made on all sides could last several lifetimes.

I am not sure it matters so much what the guy planned, or to what extent he planned. That is, IMHO, a less serious matter than what actually occurred.

Imagine a green liberal planned to peacefully protest outside a nuclear facility. Circumstances got out of hand, they stormed a pit plutonium building (somehow they got there), busted in and made their way through the building.

If they survived the "protest", I doubt his fate would depend on the planning involved.

The guy in question at a minimum betrayed his country, was criminally trespassing, endangered elected leaders, and made an attempt to unlawfully interfere with election processes.

So charge him with that.

 

[percho]

I agree the charges are exaggerated. Thus far assumptions made on all sides could last several lifetimes.

I am not sure it matters so much what the guy planned, or to what extent he planned. That is, IMHO, a less serious matter than what actually occurred.

Imagine a green liberal planned to peacefully protest outside a nuclear facility. Circumstances got out of hand, they stormed a pit plutonium building (somehow they got there), busted in and made their way through the building.

If they survived the "protest", I doubt his fate would depend on the planning involved.

The guy in question at a minimum betrayed his country, was criminally trespassing, endangered elected leaders, and made an attempt to unlawfully interfere with election processes.

Was that criminal charge carried out by anyone in the state of AZ? The Sec of State? The Maricopa county election officials? Should someone be charged in AZ with that crime? What about every other county in the United States of America, What do you believe a real audit would show for every candidate on a ballot in every county? What percent do you believe would be 100 correct?



BTW I doubt if even one in DC that day thought they were going to overthrow anything. I would say there were multiple reasons for people being there.

Question Do you believe the FBI was in the crowd to prevent, on that day or to incite on that day? What was their goal, that day?

 

[JonC]

Was that criminal charge carried out by anyone in the state of AZ? The Sec of State? The Maricopa county election officials? Should someone be charged in AZ with that crime? What about every other county in the United States of America, What do you believe a real audit would show for every candidate on a ballot in every county? What percent do you believe would be 100 correct?



BTW I doubt if even one in DC that day thought they were going to overthrow anything. I would say there were multiple reasons for people being there.

Question Do you believe the FBI was in the crowd to prevent, on that day or to incite on that day? What was their goal, that day?

Charles Manson is a murderer. Should he be released because OJ was acquitted?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Charles Manson is a murderer. Should he be released because OJ was acquitted?

Manson has been released from custody because he is dead. That's the way it should have ended for him.

 

[JonC]

Manson has been released from custody because he is dead. That's the way it should have ended for him.

Yep. BUT per some here, if all criminals are not prosecuted then mone should be.

The rioters last year should be in jail. The fact most were not jailed did not give other thugs the right to betray their nation and storm the Capitol. The fact there was election fraud (there is always election fraud) did not give those criminals a "get out of free card".