Poll: #3, Suicide & Lapsi

[rbell]

Maybe someone that is all-knowing could do us all a favor and publish a comprehensive list of all sins that it is totally impossible for a Christian to commit.

That way, we could...

• Pronounce God's damnation on any who commit said sin(s).
• Go ahead and tell any grieving family for 100% certainty that their loved one is burning in hell.
• Offer assurance to our saved folk that, "Well, at least you're not doing insert sin here ."
• Set up a "last-rites" station and thus avoid the Salvation Revocation Penalty.
• Avoid ever saying what some in here consider to be the biggest anathema to ever cross a Christian's lips: the three terrible words...

"I don't know."

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The Bible says we should always be ready to give an answer for the Hope that lies within us, yet you continue to side step questions asked you?

 

[rbell]

The Bible says we should always be ready to give an answer for the Hope that lies within us, yet you continue to side step questions asked you?

Speaking of sidestep...

If you were to have an unconfessed sin in your life, and you died right now, where would you go?

 

[Diggin in da Word]

rbell,

If you truly read my posts, you would know that answe, for I have given it over and over. I do not sidestep.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

One is to have a clear conscience toward God. If one denies sin in one's life, if one refuses to repent of sin and turn to Christ, one will go to a devil's hell.

 

[Claudia_T]

Maybe someone that is all-knowing could do us all a favor and publish a comprehensive list of all sins that it is totally impossible for a Christian to commit.

That way, we could...

• Pronounce God's damnation on any who commit said sin(s).
• Go ahead and tell any grieving family for 100% certainty that their loved one is burning in hell.
• Offer assurance to our saved folk that, "Well, at least you're not doing insert sin here ."
• Set up a "last-rites" station and thus avoid the Salvation Revocation Penalty.
• Avoid ever saying what some in here consider to be the biggest anathema to ever cross a Christian's lips: the three terrible words...

"I don't know."

well this wouldve been a pretty boring thread if it starts out with asking who will be in hell and everyone just said I dont know.

 

[rbell]

well this wouldve been a pretty boring thread if it starts out with asking who will be in hell and everyone just said I dont know.

may be....but wouldn't it be more Biblical than creating a list of sins that "Christians can't commit" that are pulled from

• Poor scriptural interpretation (this one's IMO);
• One's own "pet sins" (drinking threads);
• Thin air?

 

[rbell]

rbell,

If you truly read my posts, you would know that answe, for I have given it over and over. I do not sidestep.

My apologies. I've confused you with the bird. HBSMN is the one that won't answer this question.

 

[Claudia_T]

One's own "pet sins" (drinking threads);

what does that mean?

 

[rbell]

I was using the numerous threads on alcohol as an example: we tend to pick "pet sins" that we rail against...often times we'll think, "there's no way a Christian could do THAT."

We all have our "pet sins" that we tend to go off about. I'm not defending those sins...but someimes we'll ignore or pay less attention to other sins that can be just as deadly. (for instance...churches that spend tons of time condemning homosexuality (a sin indeed) but don't deal with gossip (also a sin...and more likely to be affecting that church)

 

[Claudia_T]

I was using the numerous threads on alcohol as an example: we tend to pick "pet sins" that we rail against...often times we'll think, "there's no way a Christian could do THAT."

We all have our "pet sins" that we tend to go off about. I'm not defending those sins...but someimes we'll ignore or pay less attention to other sins that can be just as deadly. (for instance...churches that spend tons of time condemning homosexuality (a sin indeed) but don't deal with gossip (also a sin...and more likely to be affecting that church)

It looks like your pet there in the picture does drugs? He has a needle in his mouth (just kidding).

But I agree with you about that, there are all kinds of different sins and pride being the worst, I think... I mean thinking we dont need God's help.

 

[DHK]

One can quench or grieve the Spirit without lieing to Him. Each time you don't witness to one who is lost when you have the opportunity, you grieve Him. When you feel the Spirit telling you to do something and ignore Him, you quench His moving in your life.


A true Believer will not lie to the Spirit.

The operative word is not "will not" but rather "is able to" lie.
A believer is cabable of lying.
Furthermore, and even more convincing is that we know that the believer is able to tempt the Spirit. Peter already identified the Holy Spirit as God in the presence of Annanias. Then Sapphira walked in, and he said to her: Why have you agreed to tempt the Spirit of God.
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
The Holy Spirit is God, and we are not to tempt God. But many believers, such as Ananias and Sapphira do tempt the Spirit of God.
An unbeliever has no reason, and cannot tempt the Spirit of God.

 

[DHK]

You set yourself up as God again. How do you know the truth was in them? You are the one saying they were saved when the Scripture clearly shows they were not. Are you God?
How arrogant!

No, I am not being arrogrant. I am putting forth Scriptural arguments to show to you why Annanias and Sapphira are or should be considered as Christians.
What you did is made a dogmatic all-knowing assertion stating:

THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THEM

Now you don't know that. You have no way of knowing that. You don't know how much truth or light they have or have not received. You don't know what occurred on the Day of Pentecost, if they were there, (and they probably were). You are presuming too much. You don't know to make such a presumptous, arrogant and dogmatic statement. It is not one of opinion that you made. It is one of fact. And in this case only God knows the heart, not you.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

They did not keep the commandments. That is clear enough to show they had no truth in them

And for you to claim that the commandments referred to as not being the 10 of the Old Testament wrapped up into these two is absurd. Jesus plainly stated that the two greatest commandments are these:

Matthew 22:35-40 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In another passage, He tells a young man that if he will do these he will live.

Go back and study.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

It is presumptious and arrogant of you to deny that they broke the commandments when the Word of God declared them to have no truth in them.

Are you like the new agers who want to completely do away with sin and judgment?

 

[Claudia_T]

They did not keep the commandments. That is clear enough to show they had no truth in them

And for you to claim that the commandments referred to as not being the 10 of the Old Testament wrapped up into these two is absurd. Jesus plainly stated that the two greatest commandments are these:

Matthew 22:35-40 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In another passage, He tells a young man that if he will do these he will live.

Go back and study.

also in Romans 13
8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Its obvious that the 10 commandments are love God and love your neighbor. the first 4 have to do with loving God and the last 6 with loving your neighbor


1Jn:2:
7: Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8: Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9: He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

 

[Claudia_T]

'Splain! this to me?

Revelation 21
7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Claudia_T]

I put that over in the other thread too, you know, in all this "suicide" stuff, that verse before it seems to get left out of it...

Revelation 21
7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

it says that before it gives the big list of who isnt going to be in heaven where it says the murderers and liars and etc and so forth wont be in heaven

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

'Splain! this to me?

Revelation 21
7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

One who is a true believer, will be an overcomer. Because that one will rely on the Spirit to guide him or her into the Truth of God's Word.

He that is an overcomer is one who is able to resist the devil because he has fully submitted himself to Almighty God.

 

[Claudia_T]

One who is a true believer, will be an overcomer. Because that one will rely on the Spirit to guide him or her into the Truth of God's Word.

He that is an overcomer is one who is able to resist the devil because he has fully submitted himself to Almighty God.

what I was getting at is that that verse is right before the one about the adulterers, liars, etc that will be in the lake of fire but people keep saying those are the unbelievers its talking about and not the "saved".

But if you read that verse right before it, its talking about the people of God and telling them THEY have to be overcomers BECAUSE (if not) they will be cast into the lake of fire!


Revelation 21
7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.