Poll for Reformed/DoG/Calvinists only

[kyredneck]

Simple question Winman, if we're not completely helpless (totally depraved), why did Christ have to die?

 

[pinoybaptist]

I tend to think that one's status of election is dependent on God's free and sovereign choice, not on someone's age. The harsh truth for children is the same. God's choice is not based on our merit or lack thereof. Why would it be any different for children? B/c they are "innocent"? God has killed his share of babies in the past. He will continue on into the future I suspect. So that is not at issue. What is at issue for Calvinists is whether God's standard for election is different for some rather than others.

God killed the bodies of babies, not the souls. I suppose there's a difference.
and I highlighted and bolded the phrase in your quote to make sure it is understood that I am not derailing this thread to another subject.
Relative to creation, when did the flood occur ?
This is an honest question, not a smartypants one.
The reason I ask is because somebody suggested that based on the genealogies of the people before the flood it would appear some of these were alive during the flood.
IF that were true then it simply shows God is sovereign, even in the matter of whose life or body He kills, as well as whose soul He preserves.

 

[Rippon]

Winman needs a good dose of Deuteronomy 29:29.

 

[InTheLight]

Winman needs a good dose of Deuteronomy 29:29.

Ah yes, the appeal to mystery. Classic. Calvinists do not disappoint.

 

[Rippon]

Ah yes, the appeal to mystery. Classic. Calvinists do not disappoint.

You just have to humble yourself and recognize that some things are speculative.Instead on dwelling on things that are not surely to be believed among us -- rest in the fact that the Lord always does right. We don't have the authority to make pronouncements on things in which He has not deemed us to inquire into. Some things are not revealed to us. Concentrate on the things that He has indeed revealed. Follow His precepts and commands. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and cling to the authority of 2 Timothy 3:16,17.

 

[Iconoclast]

Rippon

You just have to humble yourself and recognize that some things are speculative.Instead on dwelling on things that are not surely to be believed among us -- rest in the fact that the Lord always does right. We don't have the authority to make pronouncements on things in which He has not deemed us to inquire into. Some things are not revealed to us. Concentrate on the things that He has indeed revealed. Follow His precepts and commands. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and cling to the authority of 2 Timothy 3:16,17

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Well said! Of course ITL tries not to miss a chance to attack the biblical view and those who hold it....even if this means substituting the word mystery...for secret things. :laugh:

 

[webdog]

Mystery: if cals use it, biblical. If non cals use it, unbiblical.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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