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Poor proof that Christ has a physical body now
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We are having these lengthy discussions because of people who do not have the courage to say yes or no.
This is a very general statement which everyone will agree with, even most full preterists. However, it is not the problem at hand, and it does not answer the OP.
Christ said in Luke 24:39, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." Do you agree with Christ that He now has in His resurrection body a physical body of flesh and bones? This is not a difficult question, and it precisely covers the OP. A simple yes or no will suffice, if one has the courage of his convictions.
All the rest of your post is sidestepping the OP, so there is no need to answer it.
There is no doubt that Jesus showed himself alive, & his resurrection body was corporal - he could eat, & be touched - but that body had extraordinary properies - Jesus could appear suddenly in a locked room.
Your question:
Do you agree with Christ that He now has in His resurrection body a physical body of flesh and bones?
requires a further question:Is Jesus' heavenly glorified being the physical body of flesh and bones?
I am so tired of being misrepresented by you, John. I wonder if it is worth continuing the topic with you. You obviously either forgot or never really read my comments on Christ's resurrection. Yes, it was in the flesh.
Look back at post #7, in which I did my absolute best not to misrepresent you by asking some pointed questions, which you have still not answered. Also, look at your own OP, which is "Poor Proof that Christ Has a Physical Body Now." Do you actually expect people to read that and then think that "Yes, asterisktom believes that Christ has a physical body now"?? If you believe that Christ has a physical body now, why not say so? You haven't said so, but you phrased your post specifically to refer to the resurrection body of Christ.
So, to avoid misinterpreting you, let me ask again (as I did in post #7). You have established that Christ rose in a physical body in your doctrine. Do you believe that Christ has a physical body now? If so, and if you still believe that Christ did not come physically in AD 70, where was the body of Christ while His spirit was coming in the supposed AD 70 2nd Coming?
You are avoiding the question I asked. I will answer your question with an absolute "YES! The heavenly glorified body of Jesus Christ is now and for all eternity a physical body of flesh and bones."
Now stop avoiding the issue, stand up for what you believe, and answer my question. I'll state it again: Do you agree with Christ that He now has in His resurrection body a physical body of flesh and bones?
I've never before in my life seen people try so hard to squirm around a simple question! 
Unbelievable.
Folks, don't be ashamed of what you believe. Stand up for it! Answer clear questions like an adult.
Unbelievable. Folks, don't be ashamed of what you believe. Stand up for it! Answer clear questions like an adult.
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,[1 Timothy 2:5]
The Greek word used for 'man' is anthrōpos, and it means...
--a human being, whether male or female
So, yes, the Christ has a physical body, though His body is glorified. And we will receive the same glorified body He has now.
The Greek word used for 'man' is anthrōpos, and it means...
--a human being, whether male or female
So, yes, the Christ has a physical body, though His body is glorified. And we will receive the same glorified body He has now.
I hope not to be so adorned, for He is worthy.
I hope to be like Him as a copy, but not as valued as the original.
Well, I did not say we would be exactly like Him. However, we will have the same glorified body that will no longer sin, ache, mourn, cry, age, &c. Boy, I can't wait, but I have to.
#Glory!!
I've never before in my life seen people try so hard to squirm around a simple question!
Folks, don't be ashamed of what you believe. Stand up for it! Answer clear questions like an adult.
I have in this thread:
Receiving a gift is not also part of the giving
I think in the various discussions I have learned enough & studied enough Scriptures to answer:
No. He is glorified with his preincarnation glory as the eternal Son of God & God the Son. He appeared in a body of flesh & bones to prove his resurrection, eating & other proofs. His glorified being is vastly more than a physical body, size & shape of a normal man.
Eph. 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
Eph. 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
With all due respect, my Brother, God had to come as a man to redeem man. Now that His High Priestly work is He is our Intercessor betwixt the Father and man. So, He is still the God-Man. Which is what 1 Timothy 2:5 avers.
Finally, a straight answer. Thank you. (Though I could not disagree more, and you must know that your position is not the orthodox position of the past 2000 years.)
So according to Scripture, at what point did He lose His physical resurrection body? The Scripture you quoted does not say that.
As He was going away, an angel said this same Jesus is coming again. Now, I know they will say that its the same Jesus, just in His pre-incarnate state. But I believe He will come again as the God-Man, as He ascended as the God-Man.
Amen!
Now, where does it say He disrobed His humanity after He ascended to the Father? Can't seem to find it.
I can't find it either.Now, where does it say He disrobed His humanity after He ascended to the Father? Can't seem to find it.
But this is the position preterists are reduced to taking if they believe that Christ did not come physically in AD 70. The alternative for them is the absurd position that Christ left His body in Heaven and only came as a spirit in AD 70.
I've never before in my life seen people try so hard to squirm around a simple question!
Folks, don't be ashamed of what you believe. Stand up for it! Answer clear questions like an adult.
I was going to answer but, after, this juvenile posturing of yours I will hold off. Squirming? Please, quit the blustering.
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