prophecy70
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Poor proof that Christ has a physical body now
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C'mon, just once, give some scripture. Where does scripture say Christ limited Himself to only the physical?
1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."
So now you teach that "Jesus, as a human, is limited." That is a total denial of the Scriptural teaching that in no way does his perfect humanity limit his perfect deity
You're quick to accuse me of heresy. Now you must stand trial.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
I expect you know that "person" is hypostasis, translated in other versions as "being" or "nature" or "essence" or "substance." Hebrews is saying that Jesus is the express image of his Father's hypostasis.
Now tell us again how he is limited.
We don't agree on much but on that I can only say "Amen!"
But don't hold your breath.
"you must stand trial" good grief
While upon the earth in his physical body, was he everywhere, and he never experience any of the same things we do such as hunger/lack of sleep?
He was a real man, so expereienced things such as hunger, cold, physical pains, something as God alone he NEVER did!
That is not what John said. Shame on you.
Jesus's was physically limited by His human body. Anyone who denies that denies the bible itself.
John 4:6 "Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus, therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour." He got tired.
Matthew 8:24 "And behold there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep."
He needed to sleep.
Matthew 21:18 "Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered."
He got hungry.
John 19:28 "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst."
He got thirsty.
Luke 22:44 "And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."
He hurt.
1 Corinthians 15:3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures."
Jesus Christ died.
That is the bible. Take it or leave it.
Just can't do it, can you?
"Where does scripture say Christ limited Himself to only the physical?"
That's after the ascension, before His coming in judgement upon that generation that judicially murdered Him. Where in scripture does it say He 'limited' Himself only to the physical.
Paul states that to us in Philippians, correct?We get Kenosis theory from that!!
You seem to know what JoJ means, is this "physical limitation voluntarily taken on by Christ" still in effect? After the ascension? Scripture please.
Quote the scripture.
What part of John's statement "cannot limit the eternal God that he is" did you find ambiguous?
Yes. Jesus is still in His physical, glorified, body. His presence with us today is via the Holy Spirit. John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Yes, words mean things. It is called "communication."
I'm human, so I'm limited. You're human, so you're limited. Jesus purposefully limited Himself when He took upon Himself human form.
I will gladly stand before Jesus Christ to be judged by Him at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
But you? Make me stand trial? You have absolutely no chance of that, and i find it completely ridiculous that you think you can.
The word is translated correctly as "person," and refers to the fact that Jesus Christ is 100% the Person of God and 100% a human person. He is the second Person of the Trinity, a blessed truth that I embrace.
Jesus Christ purposefully limited Himself when He became a human in the Incarnation. I mean this kindly: you seriously need a theological education. I highly recommend a book on basic doctrine for you such as the classic The Great Doctrines of the Bible by William Evans. He wrote on p. 54, "In thus being born of a woman Jesus Christ submitted to the conditions of a human life and a human body" (p. 54).
Evans also points out that "He grew in wisdom and stature as other human beings do. He was subject to the ordinary laws of human development in body and soul" (p. 55). Do you honestly believe that this does not show the voluntary human limitations Jesus took on Himself in the Incarnation?
You may wish to clarify your statement. It sounds alarmingly like a threat.
prophecy70
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Thats not what covenanter meant
He already clarified what he meant, by giving the passage right after that, to put John's thinking on Trial.
Because words mean things, or something like that.
P70's question was present tense, "Is Jesus limited?" It was NOT about the incarnation. See the thread title.
Jesus is now glorified, and in no way does his perfect humanity limit his perfect deity.
And nobody has claimed that it does. His Deity is not limited. His humanity is limited by his physical body. That is why He sent the Holy Spirit to be "another Comforter." He could only be in one place at one time.
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."
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