Poor proof that Christ has a physical body now

Where does the scriptures state that we will NOT experience the same resuurection as Jesus did, a physical one?

 

Not to offend, but merely to ask, because you state you are not scholarly in the Greek, why then do you discredit what Greek Scholarship has been repeatedly shown?

The only conclusions one might draw is that obstinacy, blindness, or denial because of shame is the ruling factor

Please, I am really not accusing, but trying to understand the motivation behind the entrenchment.

 

Did not John say, “Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.”

 

Almost every translation translates genea as generation.

The KJV translates Strong's G1074 in the following manner: generation (37x), time (2x), age (2x), nation (1x).
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We read in the form "this generation" which occurs many times where Jesus is rebuking the Scribes & Pharisees & their supporters. Real, living people who were rejecting Jesus & would subsequently reject the Gospel & persecute Apostles & converts.

The translation race may be possible in some contexts, genos is translated race in the NASB. The reason the Greek experts on this forum (NOT "Greek scholarship") insist on race is because they reject Jesus "coming" prophecy being fulfilled in AD 70 & claim the whole Jewish race will suffer, but still exist, until Jesus returns when he will inflict the great tribulation on them.

I believe God's AD 70 punishment was limited to the generation that rejected their Messiah. And that from Pentecost onwards the Gospel has been open to all, including the generation that rejected him.

Persecution of the Jews down the ages is totally unwarranted & evil.

 

I want to know what Greek Scholarship has shown?

Most of what they talk about its nothing to do with language, its a preconceived theology, making the language fit.

Its the same as the OT in the Hebrew, Jewish people who deny christ, do not do it because of the language, they are fluent in Hebrew, They do it on a preconceived dogma.

They can not present any facts, about the word Genea, other then it can mean generation or race. No Greek person or lexicon can interpret how that word is used in that passage just by knowing the language. What is not scholarly, is the idea on what is the context of this chapter. That is where my discredit is, not the fact they know greek, but the fact that they do does not make them right automatically right in the theology.

 

this is my my point exactly.

How is it used in preceding passages?, not in a Lexicon.

But never I have I seen proof of not being used as his contemporaries in that passage.

 

And thats what you keep doing, if someone disagrees you attack them.

You still have not proved what it means in Matthew 24. Or preceding that, the exact phrase THIS GENERATION.

I don't ignore Gods inspired word. I ignore your uninspired ramblings, unless you present me with scripture.

 

matthew 1:7
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and
from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations;
and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Does it mean there here then?

 

But, preterist do not stop with just the punishment.

Rather, they claim the actual return of Christ at that date.

This, of course, is the construction of multiple threads.

All boils down to accepting the actual historical evidences in comparison to prophetic statements.

This pattern of validation of all prophecy (which is what God told should be done to discern if a prophet was truthfully proclaiming the Words of God) leds to discernment and clarification of which of the multiple definitions must be accurate.

In doing so, as the selection of which definition is acceptable, one must also validate that definition and the fullness of that prophetic passage by the consistency with all other prophetic revealing of the event.

All that in consideration, one should not violate prophecy in one area in attempting to conform prophecy to a specific scheme.

When the Scripture states as plainly as it does, “this is the second coming” and the event is the start of the millennial reign that has wonderful passages in the OT as to the nature and conformity to the messiah King, then any scheme that presents some opposing view cannot be held as valid, nor its statements of Scripture support.

 

Perhaps, because they are teachers who explain to students, they, by learned automation, conform their words to the level of the listener.

For example, in a near thread, one of the scholars was using language translation terms that the general reader of the forums would probably not be familiar. In a classroom, some student would ask for clarification, and the scholar would then work to bring education and understanding. On the forums, a gentle probe is all it takes. . The teacher conforms the explanation to the ears of those learning.

You are correct that knowing a language does not automatically show how the individual words are to be discerned in a passage.

However, one, who does not know the language nor been involved in translation of Scriptures into other languages from the Original, should be rather careful not to discredit what those scholars have shown as acceptable when it comes to a contentious area.

Because, the teaching of languages involves far more than learning the alphabet, forming words, putting words into accurately formed sentences. That is elementary (using a graded schooling system example).

When translations involve working through whole books, and in the case of John of Japan, the whole Bible, taking the original languages and presenting them accurately in another tongue, the work is held as that far more delicate than even the Scribes of the OT who merely were copyist of what was already written.

Can you just imagine the rebuke before God if the work was not done to His level of expectancy? Unlike a classroom, that work must be precisely accurate with extreme care that each word selected is truthful to the whole.

Therefore, when one of the multiple scholars contributes to a thread using original language tools, it comes with the force of experience, understanding, and scholarship beyond the typical pastor which is why they are raised in esteem to the ranks above teacher to that of theologian.

Often as I have used the original languages in a post, I appeal to the theologians on the B.B. to kindly redirect me if they find me in error. This they have done.

Is it too hard for you?

 

I agree with you, as was asking our pretierist friend why he does not see that i the scriptures!

 

Definition of generation in English:
NOUN

• 1 All of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.
  
  ‘one of his generation's finest songwriters’
  
  1. 1.1 The average period, generally considered to be about thirty years, in which children grow up, become adults, and have children of their own.
     ‘the same families have lived here for generations’
     
     
  2. 1.2 A set of members of a family regarded as a single step or stage in descent.
     as modifier, in combination ‘a third-generation Canadian’
     
     
  3. 1.3 A group of people of similar age involved in a particular activity.
     ‘a new generation of actors and directors’
     
     
  4. 1.4 A single stage in the development of a type of product or technology.
     ‘a new generation of rear-engined sports cars’
     
     as modifier, in combination ‘fourth-generation broadband’
• 2 mass noun The production or creation of something.
  
  ‘methods of electricity generation’
  
  ‘the generation of wealth’
  1. 2.1 The propagation of living organisms; procreation.
     

Wherever do you get you definitions????

 

Merriam Webster

Definition of generation
:a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor
b :a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

• the younger generation

:a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (such as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period
d :a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type

• first of the … new generation of powerful supersonic fighters
• —Kenneth Koyen

2a :the action or process of producing offspring :procreation
b :the process of coming or bringing into being

• generation of income

c rigination by a generating process :production; especially :formation of a geometric figure by motion of another
:the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring