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Postmillennialism
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Martin Marprelate said:
No doubt I do. But let's ask the Postmils on this forum. Come on, you guys; who believes that the Gospel has to be preached to every single person in the world before Christ can come?Jope said:
Given the powerful argument of the two-age model demonstrated by people such as Riddlebarger, Hokema, and Waldron, I don't see how we can complicate the ages the way many postmillennialists do. I can't interpret "this age" as the Old Covenant era and "the age to come" as beginning at any time before the bodily resurrection on the last day.
I do not see "this age" transitioning into "the age to come" to the point where we have something that looks almost like what the new earth will be like when Christ returns to judge the living and the dead.
This age has marriage, the age to come has no marriage.
This age is the "present, evil age" in contrast to the "age to come" with the new earth "wherein dwells righteousness."
Although I believe the gospel will succeed in spreading the gospel to all nations and there will be significant converts from all nations, I don't see the goal of the Christian being to take over geopolitical structures and institute capital punishment against idolatry and such as many postmillennialists believe who are theonomists. Since only God knows what the "cosmetics" of the success of the gospel entails, I can't judge when Jesus is ready to return or not. I believe in the immanent return of Christ, but some postmillennialists mock that concept and insist that we should necessarily expect at leasy several thousand more years, because we haven't seen their vaunted "golden age" yet.
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Most people on this forum don't even know what position they defend. Hey didn't I teach you covenantalism on the other thread?
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Someone who wants to learn....you are excused
Sproul is partial petierist. At least he was when he wrote "The last days according to Jesus" and "Are these the Last Days?". He did however yeild to G.K Beale's modified-idealistic Amill view in his study Bible.No, that would be mystic
I have no clue where you got here. I reply to Y1 that Sproul may be a partial pretierist and you interpret that to be an accusation that your dreams make you a legalist? Is that the Mikes talking?
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Those three men are helpful in laying out some of what is in view.
You have noticed many things in common.
Now let me ask you.....which view do you think addresses what our conduct should be here and now?
I find the post mill writers seeking ways to obey Hebrews2:4-8 where the amill brethren speak in generalities. Where do you see the amill getting specific?
Imagine that, done without modern technology and before the NT was even completed:
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24
So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:17-18
5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1:23
25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
26 but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16
Imagine this:
11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55
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That is yet another false caricature that only obscures honest discussion..
The preaching of the gospel is going worldwide as the knowledge of the Lord will be from sea to sea...psalm72:8
It's a good thing bibles don't exist anymore and we all have kyredneck's copy pasting abilities handy.
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That's based on covenant promise to the jews there bud. Read the abrahamic and Davidic covenants again. Christians didn't exist in abrahams or davids time. Coceius, your father, even recognized this. Did God really renege on these covenants to the Jews? Will God do the same to me and you?
Revelation 3:21 amidst a great slew of other evidences would teach that jesus' present throne is not davidic.
Have a good one,
Jope
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The original questions were:
The answer to both can be found here:
14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;
16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always: but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thess 2
Emancipation
Okay Mr. Gremlin
Except that Jesus stated that there would be Great tribulation right before His Second Coming event, and that was not in AD 70!
The people of Jerusalem pre AD 70 would disagree
Sproul(The Last days according to Jesus) makes a good case for the tribulation Jerusalem faced before the fall, being what is seen in Revelation . I don't buy into his view, but his view is worthy of consideration.
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*** Josephus also documents the horrors that occured during this time.
Jesus concept of satan being bound though is that he is stuck in Hell, off the world scene period, and that has NOT happened yer!Agree! (or at least agree that he WAS bound, I suspect he may be loosed already and the camp of the saints is currently being compassed about, but no matter, fire will come down from heaven and consume the adversaries
Scripture?
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24
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You realize how silly and juvenile this is?
Probably as much as 99% of my c&p on the BB is SCRIPTURE, always has been and always will be.
Yes I do realize how silly and juvenile your posts are. Put something worth my reading time up or you just look like some clown who can't communicate biblical doctrine. Do you know what ambiguity is? When you post Scripture we don't know what you're trying to communicate because there's usually, on forums like these, ten different interpretations of passages. I hope you don't talk to people in your church like you do on here though. You and iconoclast.
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