POTUS Age limits

[canadyjd]

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The only evidence that anyone on this site is even a Christian is the fact that they call themselves Baptists and mention the bible from time to time.

I feel, filthy!

Good bye!

First, that statement is simply untrue

Second, that statement crosses the line to debate in this site.

Im not a moderator, but I suspect you might hear from one soon.

I suggest you delete this part of your post as soon as possible.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It was more than two years ago. I did watch the press conference were this comment was made and no, he was not making a serious suggestion of injecting such things.

You people are impossible. You just believe whatever you feel like believing. It doesn't matter if it's doctrine or politics! The only evidence that anyone on this site is even a Christian is the fact that they call themselves Baptists and mention the bible from time to time.

I feel, filthy!

Good bye!

Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, that statement is simply untrue

Second, that statement crosses the line to debate in this site.

Im not a moderator, but I suspect you might hear from one soon.

I suggest you delete this part of your post as soon as possible.

peace to you

Thanks for the concern however I’m really not concerned with this creatures opinions… they are very juvenile and emotionally charged. You don’t debate that way in the real world unless you are trying to make an arse of yourself… which he just displayed.

 

[tyndale1946]

Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out

Yeah... You invited yourself we didn't invite you!... A wolf in sheep's clothing!... Brother Glen

 

[JonC]

I'm not THAT interested. Besides, none of them lived in an even partial democracy where they were ever asked to cast a vote and so participation in their kind of politics would have been substantially different than what we are dealing with here in America.


This is not in dispute and so has nothing to do with why I am or am not wrong. The question is whether the reasoning that is directing your conscience is valid.


Refusing to vote is a political act, by definition. If you think it has no political impact, you need to think again.


Saying it doesn't make it so. To see the falsehood of your claim here all one need do is to extrapolate it out. Would the democrats like it if all the Christians agreed with you and stayed at home on election day? Of course, they would love it! That would be millions upon millions of votes that they don't have to counter.


I didn't say a word about any political party. I know for a fact, however, that the Christian worldview is very much in the minority. Those who understand what justice is are very much in the minority. Those who understand that the government has no right to educate children are very much in the minority. And there a giant list of issues where the dividing line between majority and minority is razor thin in this country right now.


It's too bad that you've chosen to ignore my logic and instead of actually refuting it, simply declare out of whole clothe that it "does not work" as if you get to declare such things by fiat.


In the context of voting, not showing up to vote is being silent, by definition.

Again, I have yet, in twenty plus years of discussing this in various contexts, to ever have anyone present to me a single syllable of evidence that such a mindset make any sense whatsoever.


Irrelevant to the point. We aren't talking about people who don't vote because they're too lazy or some other mindless reason. We're talking about people who intentionally refuse to vote for religious, presumably Christian, reasons.


And such abstinence greases the wheels of the majority. There's nothing a wanta-be tyrant would love more than for you to stay home on election day. The most evil candidate is the only one who can and does benefit by your non-vote.

Further, the system in America has a specific mechanism in place that allows the minority, even a very small minority, to have a voice. It's called "Primary Elections". During the primary, there are a great deal more people who run, especially in local races and people are encouraged to vote for the candidate that most closely voices the positions with which they agree. In such elections, Christian are almost certain to lose but that's because they aren't collectively smart enough to vote for the most righteous candidate but have instead been convinced to vote for whomever they think can win in the general election. If they'd drop that thinking, we'd win almost every time. Regardless of that, once the primary election is over, our personal opinions are more or less out the window and it just becomes an issue about fighting against evil. It become a mission to make is as hard as possible for someone to take power who has the intention of taking away your rights. And the primary weapon we have in the fight to preserve our rights and the rights of our neighbors is casting a vote against the worst of what is almost always two evils.

Anything else is just being a tacit ally if the worst evil and hastening the corrosion of liberty and justice.

When the righteous remain silent, Satan gets to take a holiday.

It is that interesting, depending on ones interest. I enjoy Church history and theology.

You are, again, misunderstanding or misrepresenting the position. I am not sure why as I explained that those attributes are practiced just not using worldly systems.

The Early Church was far from silent. We still hear their voice and see the impact they had on the world.

Nobody is advocating silence. You are the only person here advocating sin (advocating disobedience to God in order to strengthen what you called a minority political position in our nation).

I advocate the Christian be obedient to God, whether this is to be involved in politics, to hold office, or to abstain from participating in secular politics altogether.

But I absolutely agree that Christians are not to remain silent. We are to be a light in this dark world.

The difference is how the believer uses his or her voice. I, based on personal religious conviction, do not lend my voice to secular politics. One reason is that I do not believe secular politics is the solution. Others lend their voice to a political party or secular cause. We are responsible for our voice, so I leave that up to the individual.

 

[JonC]

No it isn't, Jon. Do you not have any discernment at all?

Yes, I do. And I believe that we can see a decline in Joe Biden since he took office. He is struggling mentally, to the point I seriously doubt he is making decisions as POTUS.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, I do. And I believe that we can see a decline in Joe Biden since he took office. He is struggling mentally, to the point I seriously doubt he is making decisions as POTUS.

Obviously. The Defense Secretary (or is he Joint Chiefs?) was just hospitalized for days having cancer surgery and nobody told POTUS!

Has anyone asked B:den why he wasn’t advised this man was hospitalized? Does anybody wonder why POTUS didn’t notice he was missing from briefings? There are two wars going on (mid East and Ukraine) and Joe doesn’t wonder where his top military adviser is?

That is very revealing! Who is making these decisions?

peace to you

 

[JonC]

On post #22 @CJP69 made an observation that needs to be considered regarding the nature of our government as representative of its citizens.

He laminated that those Christians who follow their conscious by not participating in secular politics are hurting the minority of our citizens.

My answer is that it is better to obey God than man. If obedience to God in my personal life harms a political party then that is really not my business...I don't care. I will still obey God regardless of the cost as best I can.

And those Christians who follow their convictions by running for office and participating in secular political systems should do the same - obey God even if others disagree with their obedience.


But the main thing he brought up is the idea that a political party representing the minority of U S. citizens should be in control of our government.

I am not sure that this is correct.

 

[Christina1]

This is one example that may illustrate the issue.

Had it been Biden the Trump supporters would be pointing out (we know this because it has often been Biden).

Now, just like with Biden, Trump's devotees will certainly come up with a "reasonable" explanation Trump said that Nikki Haley was in charge of security and he offered her 10,000 people to include the National Guard.

FYI, Haley was not in office on Jan 6. She was not in charge of security. Trump did not offer her troops to defend the Capitol.

What happens when Trump has a few more years on him and a lot more pressure. If he can't keep it together during an election then how can he keep it together as President? He'd just be a Biden under a different party.

Is this mental decline due to age or is this just straight up delusion?

The more I see things like this the less I believe his allegations that the election was fraudulent.

 

[Christina1]

Trump is a funny guy.

100%
One of the things I do like about him. His humor is one of his strengths.

 

[canadyjd]

100%
One of the things I do like about him. His humor is one of his strengths.

One of the funniest things he did, early in his admin… he was getting all kinds of grief for calling the press “fake news”.

He held a press conference to address it; I’m sure the media expected an apology of some sort.

Instead, he said, “I’m no longer going to refer to the press as “fake news”, from now in your are “very fake news”!!

I nearly feel out of my chair laughing. These folks were so mad!!!

very funny

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Is this mental decline due to age or is this just straight up delusion?

The more I see things like this the less I believe his allegations that the election was fraudulent.

I think a bit of both. I have known people when they get older to develop specific delusions. Trump was under a lot of pressure and that can accelerate things.

I am with you about questioning him more now. In just 4 months he made several confused statements (missing up people). Rather than saying "my bad" he defends himself by saying it doesn't matter.

The last was more significant as it was an entire argument misplaced (not just mixing up a name).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Is this mental decline due to age or is this just straight up delusion?

The more I see things like this the less I believe his allegations that the election was fraudulent.

It certainly does not inspire confidence does it ?

 

[Marooncat79]

Anything older than 62 is too old

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Anything older than 62 is too old

That’s interesting because Social Security wouldn’t let me retire till I was 67. So my point is yada yada yada. Do you know that Biden had 2 brain surgery’s prior to taking office.. where did I miss that? Darn, and he was running up stairs like a gazelle while The Donald was moving kinda slow trying to go down them…was Biden on something that gave him that energy I wonder & if so, refill that prescription!