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Questioning members salvation is against BB rules. The same blood that Jesus shed on the cross for your salvation also saves me.
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Questioning members salvation is against BB rules. The same blood that Jesus shed on the cross for your salvation also saves me.
TheOneWhoLives
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That is not what I was doing. I said the Catholic Church teaches pagan philosophy. I said nothing about salvation. You need to learn to read comments properly and while you’re at it read your Bible and perhaps you’ll see the error of what the RCC teaches.
Catholics preserved the scriptures and determined the Canon of the Bible in the first place, and preserved the same interpretation of it from the Apostles.
The Bible isn’t the final Authority, the Bible didn’t exist for 400 years, until it was determined and declared by the Catholic Church, no one knew definitively what was sacred scripture in the first place.
The Bible itself relies on the Authority of The Catholic Church that preserved, authenticated, and determined every book in the Canon.
As Augustine said:
“ I would not believe the Gospel myself, unless the Authority of The Catholic Church compelled me to do so “
Everyone relies on the Authority of The Catholic Church that determined the Canon, even Protestants and Baptists.
The Catholic Church birthed and presented the Bible to the whole world. The Bible is the progeny of the Catholic Church.
“ Without the Catholic Church, we would have no Bible “ Professor Peter Flint, Baptist translator of the Dead Sea scrolls.
Godisgracious1031
Member
Dear Cathode,
I decided to come back to see what hath happenend recently.
First of all, the Catholics did preserve scripture, the false corrupted scripture.
Second, our cannon is totally different from yours, besides the part have majority besides the added books.
No, I do not rely on the Authority of the Catholick canon or any such thing from thereof.
No, we had the Bible since we have copies of the original manuscripts that were preserved from the true church.
Without the reformation, we wouldn't have a Bible in the common tongue.
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You don’t know Church history, Catholicism is Church History and Protestantism rewrites it because they didn’t exist in the early Church.
Google vernacular bibles before the reformation and realise you have been believing myths and lies.
Luther himself used a German Bible to assist his butchered bible translation.
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Just because you, and your pope, say it, doesn’t make it true.
No Apostolic father says anything about “purgatory..
It is literally made up fiction by the church for the purpose of robbing the poor to pay for Saint Peter’s.
You and your popes will answer to God for your falsehoods.
Peace to you
canadyjd
Well-Known Member
Just because you, and your pope, say it, doesn’t make it true.
No Apostolic father says anything about “purgatory..
It is literally made up fiction by the church for the purpose of robbing the poor to pay for Saint Peter’s.
You and your popes will answer to God for your falsehoods.
Peace to you
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
So your depending on a catholic priest to tell you that you should trust what the RCC teaches. Sounds like circular logic is being used there.
FYI the books of the bible were Canon when they were accepted by the early Christians. There were other letters in circulation that were rejected. And the RCC also added books to their bible as they supported their false doctrines.
The RCC history is rife with error so for you to hold it up as this God ordained keeper of the faith is false. While some in that institution may actually be saved it is not because of their teachings but because that person actually trusted in the word of God as they read it. No one is saved by being in the RCC but rather only by being in Christ through faith.
Godisgracious1031
Member
Yes, they did, and I know that there are false "scriptures" before the reformation.
We must sort the tares from the wheat, yes Luther's Bible isn't perfect, and it was based on the German Bible.
Anyways, I believe the Bible is the word of God, not the Catholic one, I believe in the cannon set in the King James Bible.
No, we did not rewrite any history.
You can sneer and condemn all you like mate, I know Purgatory exists. I warn everyone, even if they fling vitriol and condemnations. It is a very serious matter and I don’t want anyone to suffer Purgatory, this is not a game.
Just remember the scripture that I and Church Fathers quoted to you when you are shown Purgatory. You are hardened in disbelief now but you will fully understand the goodwill that was extended to you to tell you.
Even among Catholics the warning is not getting out as it should, I pray for Catholics and the separated brethren all regarding Purgatory every single day. These are Holy Souls and they are beautiful as the Light when Jesus comes for them, perfected in Love.
I know you guys are ardent that you are right and Catholics are completely wrong, but can you at least do a provisional prayer, and Just say to Jesus each day. ‘ Lord Jesus, if Purgatory does exist and I have it all wrong, please grant that those souls and all my departed family and friends may be relieved by your rain or released into your Perpetual Light. ‘
You can put this prayer to Jesus in good conscience and Jesus will accept it, that way you cover for them when you finally understand everything, and you won’t be deadweight in the fight.
We spend a lot of time praying and fasting for the Holy Souls in Purgatory, it would be good to have others help in the push even if it is just provisionally.
Godisgracious1031
Member
That's impossible for a prayer on behalf of someone else be able to lower their punishment and pain in hell.
For all have sinned and the wages of sin is death.
There is no such thing as purgatory, the book says, believe or die.
Rome did not give us the Bible: Did Rome Give Us The Bible?
For all have sinned and the wages of sin is death.
There is no such thing as purgatory, the book says, believe or die.
Rome did not give us the Bible: Did Rome Give Us The Bible?
Godisgracious1031
Member
I would like to add I haven't seen any good verses given to me yet that have shewed clear evidence of purgatory without any doubt.
Godisgracious1031
Member
This is the only verse that would support this alleged "purgatory" though its uncannon and unscriptural, its not part of the word of God.
Edit: What a strange chapter, there is a Judas and a Timothy. There is another strange Acryophol book called "Ecclesiasticus" also known as "Jesus the son of Sirach'????
2 Maccabees 12:46
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.Edit: What a strange chapter, there is a Judas and a Timothy. There is another strange Acryophol book called "Ecclesiasticus" also known as "Jesus the son of Sirach'????
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You wouldn’t believe if someone came back from the dead and told you, if you don’t believe the scripture and church Fathers presented to you, then you are immunised against the truth.
Godisgracious1031
Member
I believe the scripture, the true scripture that was copied and passed down by the Christian church. No, I do not follow the traditions of men like the catholick fathers, also Jesus said not to be called "Father" for one is your Father which art in heaven.
Also, if have time, read this: [TCP] A disswasiue from poperie, containing twelve effectual reasons by vvhich every Papist, not wilfully blinded, may be brought to the truth, and euery Protestant confirmed in the same: written by Francis Dillingham Master of Arts, and fellow of Christs Colledge in Cambridge, necessarie for all men in these times.
Godisgracious1031
Member
It seems that the Catholicsm crept into the Anglican Church, some pray to the dead, even John Wesley, glad I am not part of that, anyways. At least the Geneva pointed out it is contrary to scripture.
David Lamb
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Anglicanism (at least here in the UK) includes people with a wide variety of beliefs, from evangelical bible-believers to those who seem to want to follow Roman Catholicism, with incense, "mass," confession to a "priest," ministers of churches being called "Father So-and-so," and much more.
GodisgraciousR325
Member
Anyhow, I am not a Anglican, I am just a King James Bible Believer, I guess I am still a Baptist though.
GodisgraciousR325
Member
The only way is that somehow I would give up and accept the 2 Mac as scripture, which will never ever happen.
You can believe anything and deny anything and be Anglican, you don’t even need to be Christian.
Bishop Spong being the example.
Denied Christ’s bodily resurrection and ascension into heaven.
Denied Christ’s miracles.
Denied the veracity of the Gospels.
Denied God intervenes in the world.
Denied God’s omnipotence.
Called prayer “little more than an hysterical attempt to turn the holy into the servant of the human”.
He went to his great reward in 2021.